which patient to kick to the curb?

[COzigzag]

This part of the bill is very confusing. My family has 5 patients atm. My husband and myself (I am his caregiver) my son (he is my caregiver) my daughter and her husband. Now hubby and I live together and my daughter and her husband live together. If I read this correctly we will not be able to "pool our resources" to grow.

I guess we will wait to see how this pans out, but atleast we would be under the 30 plant count. Wondering what is the best way to set up caregivers so we can maximize our time space and money.

Seems it's a double whammy for you. Page 60 of HB10-1284 states:

(c) A PATIENT WHO HAS DESIGNATED A PRIMARY CAREGIVER FOR
HIMSELF OR HERSELF MAY NOT BE DESIGNATED AS A PRIMARY CAREGIVER
FOR ANOTHER PATIENT.

-AND Page 59-

(b) TWO OR MORE PRIMARY CAREGIVERS SHALL NOT JOIN
TOGETHER FOR THE PURPOSE OF CULTIVATING MEDICAL MARIJUANA.

If it were me, I would make 1 person in your family the primary caregiver for all of you. Make it somebody who actually lives where the grow op is and has not designated another person as their caregiver. You would be legit under the upcoming HB10-1284.

I'm not sure at this point if/when HB10-1284 passes if it automatically removes you as your husband's caregiver since your son is registered as your caregiver. Who knows.

Just CYA!

[Justabloke]

I provide an oz a month free to my patients as well as some free edibles and heavy discounts for additional meds. My wife and I are both patients as well.

Now, if this new legislation goes into effect, can someone tell me how this will work?

I have 7 patients. Obviously, at least 2 will have to go. the way I count now, I am growing for 9 - myself, my wife, and 7 others.

If my wife is not a caregiver, and I am, can we still grow her plants with mine and the ones we'll be growing for the other 5?

And how will you decide who to keep? seniority or need? - ie keep my first patient or keep my poorest or sickest?

and, fyi, I have not ever broken even on my costs. I don't care about making $$.

I really don't understand why a bill to regulate dispensaries should be effecting existing caregiver relationships.

Well the 30 plant limit is one way. If you do the math 5 patients x 6 plants comes to 32 plants but under 1284 you will only be allowed to grow up to 30 plants total. They expect you to take care of 5 people on 30 plants.

This doesn't take into account the patients who can't smoke/vaip and need edibles or rubs that require much larger amounts of plant material to create.

Hopefully we can get this struck down in court!

j

[copobo]

the thing I don't understand is, the 5 patient limit was already struck down in court.

So was local opt-out. How can we have the state constitution that says a patient can choose a caregiver to grow for him or the patient can grow themself - then by local ordnance opt out?

It's like letting localities opt out of freedom of the press or religion.

King Romer and idiots like Spense don't give a damn about our state constitution. They should be removed for forsaking their oath of office.

[COzigzag]

Well the 30 plant limit is one way. If you do the math 5 patients x 6 plants comes to 32 plants but under 1284 you will only be allowed to grow up to 30 plants total. They expect you to take care of 5 people on 30 plants.

This doesn't take into account the patients who can't smoke/vaip and need edibles or rubs that require much larger amounts of plant material to create.

Hopefully we can get this struck down in court!

j

I may be missing something you're trying to convey but 5 x 6 = 30 (not 32). As far as I know, 6 plants has always been the limit per patient. Now we have a limit on patients/caregiver!

[copobo]

I need to find a current copy of this bill, but if it actually says 30 plants in there, it's really limited to 4 patients for caregivers who are patients themselves.

I know six plants sounds like allot to these idiots, but when you consider clones and starting new strains from seed (with a 50/50 male/female ratio) it takes 6+ plants in veg/clone for every 2 or 3 in flower.

[Justabloke]

I may be missing something you're trying to convey but 5 x 6 = 30 (not 32). As far as I know, 6 plants has always been the limit per patient. Now we have a limit on patients/caregiver!

D'oh, yer right! Excuse my bad math. Perfect reason sleep typing should be outlawed! :computerlove1:

My point is the fact that no matter how many you serve you may only have 30 plants total. If you have patients who require more because they have to rely on edibals or tinctures they and you as their caregiver are SOL.

[Justabloke]

I need to find a current copy of this bill, but if it actually says 30 plants in there, it's really limited to 4 patients for caregivers who are patients themselves.

I know six plants sounds like allot to these idiots, but when you consider clones and starting new strains from seed (with a 50/50 male/female ratio) it takes 6+ plants in veg/clone for every 2 or 3 in flower.

Wow great point Copobo! I didn't even stop to think about that.

[COzigzag]

I need to find a current copy of this bill, but if it actually says 30 plants in there, it's really limited to 4 patients for caregivers who are patients themselves.

I know six plants sounds like allot to these idiots, but when you consider clones and starting new strains from seed (with a 50/50 male/female ratio) it takes 6+ plants in veg/clone for every 2 or 3 in flower.

Link to Senate's Rerevised HB10-1284:

http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/cli...e=1284_rer.pdf


This is the only reference, page 53, in the rerevised HB10-1284 that specifically addresses "plants." This addresses MMJ Centers only:

(e) TO POSSESS MORE THAN SIX MEDICAL MARIJUANA PLANTS AND
TWO OUNCES OF MEDICAL MARIJUANA FOR EACH PATIENT WHO HAS
REGISTERED THE CENTER AS HIS OR HER PRIMARY CENTER PURSUANT TO
SECTION 25-1.5-106 (6) (f), C.R.S.; EXCEPT THAT A MEDICAL MARIJUANA
CENTER MAY HAVE AN AMOUNT THAT EXCEEDS THE SIX-PLANT AND
TWO-OUNCE PRODUCT PER PATIENT LIMIT IF THE CENTER SELLS TO
PATIENTS THAT ARE AUTHORIZED TO HAVE MORE THAN SIX PLANTS AND
TWO OUNCES OF PRODUCT. IN THE CASE OF A PATIENT AUTHORIZED TO
EXCEED THE SIX-PLANT AND TWO-OUNCE LIMIT, THE CENTER SHALL
OBTAIN DOCUMENTATION FROM THE PATIENT'S PHYSICIAN THAT THE
PATIENT NEEDS MORE THAN SIX PLANTS AND TWO OUNCES OF PRODUCT.

I listened to the Senate Chamber discussion on this bill and they even talked about a 30 plant limit but I don't see anywhere where it is actually in this bill or any other bill. I "think" the Senators were using the number 30 as a hypothetical situation when talking about a caregiver (not somebody who is a patient & caregiver) specifically.

I still think Amendment 20 stands on this. A patient can possess 6 plants total.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it!

[GratefulMeds]

My answer is none, I am not sure what I will do in the end but for now I cannot see myself turning down anybody that I am growing for and has supported me. I have patients I have been a caregiver for over 4 years some longer then that, and many more that I have met over the past year. Who's worthy and who's not? What a messed up situation the State has created.:wtf:

[Justabloke]

I am in the same situation. To the best of my knowledge HB10-1284 doesn't state that a patient can no longer grow their own meds. It does state that, "TWO OR MORE PRIMARY CAREGIVERS SHALL NOT JOIN
TOGETHER FOR THE PURPOSE OF CULTIVATING MEDICAL MARIJUANA."

Your wife is not a Caregiver and I'm assuming she has not given that away to you formally.

Heck, I'm still confused about being able to deliver meds to my patients. I think this bill squashes that for some reason too.

There was some debate on just that during 2nd reading Zig. What I took away from it was they were going to enable delievery but I have NO citation on that what so ever. It's only gut feeling. Maybe someone else can chime in with hard facts. I just needed the excuse to whore myself out to you. ROFL

That said, should you need help delivering please see my resume here...
Patient desperately seeking employment.