What to do after the passing of HB 1284 this morning?

[Justabloke]

Jesus, as I finished the 12th part of that mess, after having literally cheered out loud after Senator Carroll laid the Kant Categorical Imperative smackdown on these morons, I see that there's now 17 parts and I would have 5 more to go to finish it. I don't think I can handle another 50 minutes of Senator Spence (might be my new Queen Idiot, taking Romer's spot) claiming to be "the Senator who opposes organized crime"......

I'll post the 2340 word notes document I wrote along with a quicker summary tomorrow. For now, I'm gonna go burn myself in effigy.

Ha, not really, but I am gonna go smoke some Black Domina and pass the hell out.

Did you DVR it or find it online? I look forward to your opinions!

Sleep well

[MMJinColorado]

I was watching it here: YouTube - COMarijuana's Channel

I saw most of the later parts earlier in the day, but didn't take notes, so I'll probably give them a quick listen tomorrow. My notes are full of sarcastic comments, mostly aimed at Romer and Spence, who were in fine form early in the hearing. I'll clean it up a bit for the post, but I'll have a basic guide with info about who proposed and/or argued for what so people can figure out who they want to support when it's election season. I was interested to see Republicans speaking on behalf of some of Senator Carroll's amendments based on the Constitutional and legal precedent-based arguments she was making... MMJ makes strange bedfellows I guess.

As an aside, it's hilarious to hear all the mumbling that occurs after certain comments... I was listening on headphones so I picked up all of it. Every time Senator Spence dropped her "I don't support organized crime" line, the crowd audibly tittered as if it were her catchphrase.

It was also funny (not "ha ha") to hear Romer constantly refer to some unnamed news reporter who apparently was able to buy marijuana at 5 of 7 dispensaries without showing any kind of paperwork, then referring to them as "knuckleheads" about 30 different times. I called bullshit on that in the first place, but did anyone else hear about this? I figure it was some typical embellished local news scare story that I missed (since I don't watch that gahbage) if it even exists at all.

Seems like bullshit to me, it just doesn't pass the smell test -- unless I've been into a dispensary multiple times, they at least ask for an ID and then check my paperwork on file and/or have me sign a "ckeck in" type of form. Never have I been able to buy anything (or even look at meds or enter the area since Denver passed their regulations) without showing my doc's recommendation and state application as well as an ID.

[FarmerSteve]

Wow! Never have truer words been spoken!!! Spot on! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Perfect! And where's a link to that facebook page?

Guys, we don't need to act like this is the end of the road. that's what they WANT. Keep an eye on the other thread. There are SO many of you who could make a difference. And if we ALL pull together, well you know how synergy works...

1+1= 2.5

[Justabloke]

I was watching it here: YouTube - COMarijuana's Channel

I saw most of the later parts earlier in the day, but didn't take notes, so I'll probably give them a quick listen tomorrow. My notes are full of sarcastic comments, mostly aimed at Romer and Spence, who were in fine form early in the hearing. I'll clean it up a bit for the post, but I'll have a basic guide with info about who proposed and/or argued for what so people can figure out who they want to support when it's election season. I was interested to see Republicans speaking on behalf of some of Senator Carroll's amendments based on the Constitutional and legal precedent-based arguments she was making... MMJ makes strange bedfellows I guess.

As an aside, it's hilarious to hear all the mumbling that occurs after certain comments... I was listening on headphones so I picked up all of it. Every time Senator Spence dropped her "I don't support organized crime" line, the crowd audibly tittered as if it were her catchphrase.

It was also funny (not "ha ha") to hear Romer constantly refer to some unnamed news reporter who apparently was able to buy marijuana at 5 of 7 dispensaries without showing any kind of paperwork, then referring to them as "knuckleheads" about 30 different times. I called bullshit on that in the first place, but did anyone else hear about this? I figure it was some typical embellished local news scare story that I missed (since I don't watch that gahbage) if it even exists at all.

Seems like bullshit to me, it just doesn't pass the smell test -- unless I've been into a dispensary multiple times, they at least ask for an ID and then check my paperwork on file and/or have me sign a "ckeck in" type of form. Never have I been able to buy anything (or even look at meds or enter the area since Denver passed their regulations) without showing my doc's recommendation and state application as well as an ID.

Ahh ok...hence the "parts." If there is anything I know and appreciate it is sarcasm!

OMG If I hear either the organized crime banter or gateway drug crap one more time imma gonna scream! Aaaaaarrrrrggggghhhhhhhhhhh!

This is the first I'm hearing of this reporter. I, like you, don't pay attention the "news" anymore cause it's all crap. Beyond that, I'm boycotting Westword and their advertisers because of crap just like this. I told everyone they were going to sell us out and I think they have.

Yes, marginalization is a very effective tactic which is why our modern day law enforcement/government use it so frequently. Hey we're just "very low income, pot heads who aren't likely to vote anyway" Or are we?!

Yes, any disp that wishes to stay in business for any amount of time MUST check paperwork/ID. Sadly, there are people who are in it just and only for the money. It is they whom we need to remove from operation and keep the ones who know what they're doing and do it for the medicine/science of it and if they turn a profit in doing so who cares. Pfizer bilks billions in profit every year from us while selling us drugs. Lets choose to be educated consumers/patients and use meds that are FAR less addictive than the likes of, in my case, Dilaudid during the worst times. I do think that Romer's claim is more smoke than fire. The government has had a long history of giving the people mis/disinformation to inflict their will on and I don't think this is much different. The "say anything; do anything" attitude is vividly clear.

As I have said many times and Iâ??ll say many more timesâ?¦this is wrong and people will die because of this bill!

It just amazes me the amount of "lazy pot heads" we get out at meetings of the government. If we didn't have such a close-knit community and great leadership; we wouldn't be anywhere near where we are now! Together we stand and devided we fall.

Right, well I've been ranting all day between the gov't and the msg boards so I think it's time for me to go pass out too.

:thumbsup: Keep up the fight!

Never give up, never surrender,
Mike

[Reenster]

I am all in favor of using technology. I just created my own facebook page regarding the 5/15 march and have sent invitations to all that might have interest.

I also know I am not the only female among us so I would also like to recommend the Womens Marijuana Movement. I got the link from SAFER and Jessica Corry is the founder. The more people we include the better off we are.

Women's Marijuana Movement

[puntacometa]

Wow! Never have truer words been spoken!!! Spot on! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

The Spicoli stereotype certainly hasn't helped our cause.

[lampost]

been thinking about this for awhile now.the hard part would be keeping leo out.

Referral-only is the key. URL wouldn't even be known until invited. It would grow very slowly via word of mouth amongst trusted people... kinda like in the old days but over the web. Plus now you could get a solid base before some people start slipping back underground.

Lastly, it's not like hard drugs or anything. It's herb in a medical state. So even if the worst were to happen I think you'd have a pretty viable defense! I envision it as mainly a place to trade clones/seeds, unite caregivers w patients, and possibly even trade/buy/sell meds.

Also, I heard someone mention above that they were talking about marijuana as a "gateway drug" today. They are the ones that make it a gateway drug. They put marijuana in the same category as cocaine and heroin. They teach the children that all drugs are "bad" with no differentiation... marijuana will ruin your lives and so will coke and smack. But then the kids smoke it and see that it's harmless and now they realize that they were taught lies about drugs. Now they're more likely to try hard shit not realizing the true dangers because they've been lied to. These fuckin' drug warriors don't realize that their own lies aren't serving them..

[Justabloke]

Perfect! And where's a link to that facebook page?

Guys, we don't need to act like this is the end of the road. that's what they WANT. Keep an eye on the other thread. There are SO many of you who could make a difference. And if we ALL pull together, well you know how synergy works...

1+1= 2.5

Morning Steve

Which facebook page would that be?

No, this is not the end of MMJ in Colorado. We are way too organized and very well represented by lawyers. 1284 is highly unconstitutional and Carroll and orthers readily and repeatedly acknowleged the fact there will be litigation if this passes.

I have to make a small tweek to part of your post if I may...

That is, there are SO many of US who could make a difference. Its odd how one person can do so little but yet have such a big impact.

-Just

[Justabloke]

The Spicoli stereotype certainly hasn't helped our cause.

Morning cometa,

I don't understand your refference or point.

-j

[Klonzinc]

[quote=Justabloke]

so what you are saying then is you are not in favor of caregivers? only dispensaries? QUOTE]

NO! I'm not saying that. I'm saying I'm worried about the amount of people who will get into it whether or not they "should." The allure of money is pretty strong in this economy.

Accidents happen. People who arn't trained in setting up a proper MMJ grow WILL cause fires and loss of life. It's going to happen.

Give this to the people who know what they're doing and have the money to do it properly. Let them set up industrial grows where everything around the grow can be tightly controlled like fire suppression, security, ect. Attic grows will ONLY lead to a drastic increase in structure fires throughout Colorado just like in Mendocino County California. Then, they'd come back and say "see? We told you we needed to more tightly regulate this...look at all the fires!"

The fact that 100k people will need a caregiver will lead to a 20k person caregiver force growing meds in, on, and around their home...it will lead to fires.

That is my only point.

You may be right but turkey deep fryers and Christmas trees cause more home fires than growers. There are always mishaps with everything, including the dumb ass who smokes while filling his lawn mower with gas but that is no reason for the politicians to tell me I can no longer grow my or any one else meds, that thinking is absolute unfair, a better reg would be something like this "Should a structure fire be deemed caused by in proper grow set up then the one setting it up should be responsible and liable," do not punish the exp. ones that can not afford large warehouse ops, hell if I got paid for all the meds I give away I would be able to set up the 50,000 warehouse grow. but I choose kindness and helping those who can not help themselves with herb over the top dollar heartless, greedy mentality. I guess what I am saying is do not punish the mass for what one or two idiots might cause. PEACE