What to do after the passing of HB 1284 this morning?

[Justabloke]

Justabloke- Patients have the right to grow anyways, theres TONS of patient grows that are half assed and probably plenty with electrical hazards. Point is I don't see anywhere on the news stories about mmj fires. I have temperature alarms and monitor my grow closely. I take it really seriously, I couldn't do it all myself though. I have a monitor with me in the house where I can see the enviroment settings at all times. Not to mention I had an electrician do the little wiring needed and I have two fire extinguishers on hand. I never leave my grow unattended. The novices out there that have fire hazards in their house wont be able to compete with real caregivers, producing real quality meds. The fire hazards won't stay up and running long enough to even create a fire. I don't see it being nearly as big of a concern as you do.

Hey

Thanks for the reply. So far as it relates to the passage of this bill...I do see a problem and I see serious problems because closing down 50%-80% of this stateâ??s disps is wrong. I think they have the money to support *real* *quality* meds in a safe and secure tightly regulated atmosphere where precautions can be taken properly and not setting up a grow in an attic of a 120 year old house. Which you have to admit does happen.

As I rant onâ?¦think Mendocino County, California who didn't stop to worry about fire.

I think if we take this away from the disps we as a community are losing major ground in our fight for federal MMJ legalization. The world is watching Colorado just as much as California. We can't lose ground now...we've come too far!

We're talking upwards of 20k individual grows. Many who will become caregivers won't know how to produce quality meds under tightly controlled circumstances with proper precautions in place. If you grow in a warehouse and build appropriately, then yes, that is far better than having hundreds of grows in every neighborhood throughout Colorado. As I said before...people make mistakes and people won't know what they are doing.

If they force this out of the hands of the disps we're going to have real problems and our community will lose the desperately needed funding that our dispensaries SHOULD provide to fight this legislative hurdles they make us overcome on the village, town, city, country, state and federal levels trying to consistently and systematically disassemble MMJ here in Colorado! Each and every dispensary should contribute a percentage if their income to the very community that has supported them WELL into the black operationally speaking. Losing any legal dispensary would be like the community losing a left leg!

That said, IF you know what you are doing and are willing to put out the money for your infrastructure as you have and can do it safely, then, by all means, do! But, the law of averages reigns supreme here.

I'm not saying to take growing away from patients/caregivers I'm just saying make sure they know what they are doing and will provide as safe/secure/regulated atmosphere as possible. Otherwise, leave it to those who know what they are doing have done it for large parts of their lives while evading the very people we are discussing tonight.

J

[lampost]

I know this has probably been touched on but it's so complicated now that I've totally forgotten.

Will a small caregiver (2-4 patients) have to do anything above and beyond what they are doing now? Will they have to submit to any more invasions of privacy? Identify where their grow location is? Any of that bullshit?

[Justabloke]

I don't understand why they removed the taxes, unless it's a hope that now it will fail. I mean, I understand the whole "yay patient doesn't need to pay taxes now" but it seems like a HUGE selling point to the general public that this will generate taxes. It still will, but removing those sales taxes takes a significant chunk out of the cash flow in that direction.

This is just a guess but I think it's because Cancer and HIV/AIDS/ARC are the only two maladies Romer sees fit to treat with MMJ.

[Justabloke]

I know this has probably been touched on but it's so complicated now that I've totally forgotten.

Will a small caregiver (2-4 patients) have to do anything above and beyond what they are doing now? Will they have to submit to any more invasions of privacy? Identify where their grow location is? Any of that bullshit?

Yes, I've heard that the small caregiver will have to pay a registration fee as well as other stipulations. What those are...I dunno.

[lampost]

One of you guys with computer skills needs to create an underground message board site for clone-trading, seed-trading, etc.! I have some ideas and could help. Obviously a board like this would probably need to be referral-only probably starting small and building up a good network!!

Anyone else think this is possibly a good idea? I know we have places like ICMag and stuff now where people meet and share genetics, but maybe something a little more focused and regional-based. Strictly for patients, no black market shite going on!

[Justabloke]

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exactly pretty much what i just said you believe only the big boys should be able to grow.so anyone that does'nt have big money to own a shop it's danger to them as far as fires.i have been growing for awhile in small areas never once 1 fire scare. the point of keeping it all to the shops man i have to say i have been to many shops and alot don't even know what the fuck they are doing let alone run a grow.so that dog don't hunt sorry. do you really know how many people grow in their homes that are'nt legal? come on you have to be smarter than that. besides the fact that the state allows mmj patients to grow their own already.

yes i know leo will try to use anything to say see we need this or that.thats all a crock to take our rights away.we should'nt bow down just because of that.they will use anything,we could even go your route and take the rights away of the people and still they would find something else.and thats exactly what you seem to be saying since they will say this we need to take our rights and throw them out the window.what about people with fireplaces?,machine shops in their garage? metal workers? blacksmiths?

their are plenty of things you can buy to protect yourselfs.you see the new lil red fire tank you can hang in your room so if it gets above a certain degree it comes on and sprays everthing down?

Yes, there are precautions that should be taken but a caregiver just getting in to it with $200 or $300 to spend won't be able to get anywhere what he/she NEEDS to properly do and add bad growing space to it it's a recipie for disaster.

[throatstick]

One of you guys with computer skills needs to create an underground message board site for clone-trading, seed-trading, etc.! I have some ideas and could help. Obviously a board like this would probably need to be referral-only probably starting small and building up a good network!!

Anyone else think this is possibly a good idea? I know we have places like ICMag and stuff now where people meet and share genetics, but maybe something a little more focused and regional-based. Strictly for patients, no black market shite going on!

been thinking about this for awhile now.the hard part would be keeping leo out.

[Justabloke]

We as a constituency, young and old, need to quit with the Cheech and Chong bullshit and approach MMJ with a serious attitude.

Wow! Never have truer words been spoken!!! Spot on! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Justabloke]

We the patients need to stick together

Thank you WB! That is exactly my point. While I don't support any more of an underground movement (black market) we must, we must, we MUST stick together or we will lose everything we have worked so hard for. :thumbsup:

[MMJinColorado]

Jesus, as I finished the 12th part of that mess, after having literally cheered out loud after Senator Carroll laid the Kant Categorical Imperative smackdown on these morons, I see that there's now 17 parts and I would have 5 more to go to finish it. I don't think I can handle another 50 minutes of Senator Spence (might be my new Queen Idiot, taking Romer's spot) claiming to be "the Senator who opposes organized crime"......

I'll post the 2340 word notes document I wrote along with a quicker summary tomorrow. For now, I'm gonna go burn myself in effigy.

Ha, not really, but I am gonna go smoke some Black Domina and pass the hell out.