GM refuses to pay States 1284 Ransom

[HighPopalorum]

*shrug*

Why are criminal background checks such a big deal? We do the same for everybody from barbers to liquor store owners to teachers. This might sound a little harsh, but I don't think felons should have any role in MMJ distribution. That five year rule is extremely generous. In my profession, as in most, a single felony or even some kinds of misdemeanors would end a person's career before it began. It is my sincere hope that MMJ caregivers, dispensary owners, and all people involved in this business are held to extremely high standards of personal conduct because of the position of trust they are in vis a vis their patients.

I could live with exemptions for felonies connected with growing marijuana, but it's not wise to allow the general class of felon to be health care providers, especially in an area as new as this industry. Felons should not be giving medical advice to my sick mother, or any other sick people, particularly if there is an underlying financial relationship. The idea of putting the most dishonest and unethical segment of our society in a position of power over the sickest and most vulnerable members of our society is.... well... fucking insane. There's no other word for it. Fingerprinting and background checks and felony prohibitions will help protect patients from conmen and thieves in the exact same way that they protect kids at school from sex offenders.

I don't mean to knock GM, and I think they should definitely proceed with a court challenge to this law, hopefully with other MMJ providers. I'm sensitive to individual circumstances, and understand that not all felonies are equally serious, but felons should not be allowed in this business. Too harsh?

HighPopalorum Reviewed by HighPopalorum on 05-03-2010. GM refuses to pay States 1284 Ransom We will be having killer sales up to July 1st, with the intent of getting as much high quality medicine out there as cheap as possible. We will also be using the cash generated for a legal appeal of 1284. I got word from a reliable source in the know that this could get rammed through and signed in 10 days. We will call it quits before we pay these draconian fees designed to cut out the small grower and raise prices so the "Big Money" boys can make profits after the State forced 90% of there Rating: 5

[GratefulMeds]

*shrug*

Why are criminal background checks such a big deal? We do the same for everybody from barbers to liquor store owners to teachers. This might sound a little harsh, but I don't think felons should have any role in MMJ distribution. That five year rule is extremely generous. In my profession, as in most, a single felony or even some kinds of misdemeanors would end a person's career before it began. It is my sincere hope that MMJ caregivers, dispensary owners, and all people involved in this business are held to extremely high standards of personal conduct because of the position of trust they are in vis a vis their patients.

I could live with exemptions for felonies connected with growing marijuana, but it's not wise to allow the general class of felon to be health care providers, especially in an area as new as this industry. Felons should not be giving medical advice to my sick mother, or any other sick people, particularly if there is an underlying financial relationship. The idea of putting the most dishonest and unethical segment of our society in a position of power over the sickest and most vulnerable members of our society is.... well... fucking insane. There's no other word for it. Fingerprinting and background checks and felony prohibitions will help protect patients from conmen and thieves in the exact same way that they protect kids at school from sex offenders.

I don't mean to knock GM, and I think they should definitely proceed with a court challenge to this law, hopefully with other MMJ providers. I'm sensitive to individual circumstances, and understand that not all felonies are equally serious, but felons should not be allowed in this business. Too harsh?

I worked in the medical field for over 20 years and some of those years I had a felony for cultivation and possession. I am a registered polysomnography technologist (Sleep Medicine), also have a registry in respiratory therapy, I have also worked as a EMT and in Cardiopumonary and yes hospitals have still hired me even though I am a felon. I have more patient care experience under my belt then I dare say 90% of dispensaries and caregivers out there. but under this law I can't be a caregiver. I have been on the registry for 7 years a designated caregiver for 6 of those years, but now because of some imagined fright I am disqualified, I don't think so Kill This Bill!:thumbsup:

[funkfingers]

*shrug*

Why are criminal background checks such a big deal? We do the same for everybody from barbers to liquor store owners to teachers. This might sound a little harsh, but I don't think felons should have any role in MMJ distribution. That five year rule is extremely generous. In my profession, as in most, a single felony or even some kinds of misdemeanors would end a person's career before it began. It is my sincere hope that MMJ caregivers, dispensary owners, and all people involved in this business are held to extremely high standards of personal conduct because of the position of trust they are in vis a vis their patients.

I could live with exemptions for felonies connected with growing marijuana, but it's not wise to allow the general class of felon to be health care providers, especially in an area as new as this industry. Felons should not be giving medical advice to my sick mother, or any other sick people, particularly if there is an underlying financial relationship. The idea of putting the most dishonest and unethical segment of our society in a position of power over the sickest and most vulnerable members of our society is.... well... fucking insane. There's no other word for it. Fingerprinting and background checks and felony prohibitions will help protect patients from conmen and thieves in the exact same way that they protect kids at school from sex offenders.

I don't mean to knock GM, and I think they should definitely proceed with a court challenge to this law, hopefully with other MMJ providers. I'm sensitive to individual circumstances, and understand that not all felonies are equally serious, but felons should not be allowed in this business. Too harsh?

I completely disagree, I believe that people with marijuana felonies should be allowed to be caregivers.. I think that most people who have caught a felony charge from our wonderful plant, probably have quite a bit more experience than the average person..Remember this was illegal 10 years ago, marijuana has been helping people far longer than mmj laws have been in place.All these amazing strains didn't appear out of thin air as soon as mmj went in to effect, to shut out all the people who helped progress this movement to it's current state IMO is wrong.
The felons that should be barred from working are violent criminals, people who steal ect..

By making the above statement, it shows me that you have no problem with the unjust drug laws in the country..Laws that do nothing but harm people by, breaking up their families, taking their homes,keeping kids from their parents ect,ect.

I would rather have someone who truly has a passion for the healing powers of cannabis, to give out advice to sick people, than a person who is concerned with profit margin..Let's be real how many dispensary owners have you talked to that have a clue about mmj maybe 10%

As someone who has made a great deal of sacrifices, to provide this sacred herb to folks in need, this bill makes me want to puke..

[GratefulMeds]

HB1284 Update

HB1284 will shut down 95% of dispensaries in Colorado. The bill will now be
voted on by the full state Senate. CTI is urging patient rights supporters
to contact their state senators and urge them to vote No on HB1284. Call
today, as the legislative session ends on May 12.

As the bill stands now, all dispensaries will have to become compliant with
all the new regulations by July 1, 2010.

Click here to contact your Senators:
Cannabis Therapy Institutue - Medical Cannabis (Marijuana) Research, Education and Advocacy in Colorado

HB1284 is a 72-page regulatory nightmare that allows the Department of
Revenue to control the licensing and all standards of medical marijuana
"centers." On April 22, the bill passed the full House by a vote of 39 to
23. On April 27, 2010, it passed the Senate Local Government Committee by a
6 to 0 vote . HB1284 now moves on to Appropriations and then a vote of the
full Senate. Call and email your state senator now and ask them to vote NO
on HB1284.

The bill requires a dispensary to get a state license, a local license and
a cultivation license. A state license might cost up to $50,000. A
dispensary would have to grow 70% of their medicine onsite, pushing them
over the 100 plant limit that attracts the attention of the federal Drug
Enforcement Administration. HB1284 creates Medical Marijuana Enforcement
Investigators, who could investigate the center any time it is open, or
appears to be open. They do not need a search warrant, but they would have
police powers to enforce all Colorado laws. Dispensaries could expect an
auditor with a gun to be at their clinic every 5 to 7 days.
YouTube - Senator Chris Romer! Marijuana! Auditors! Guns! Best Friends!!!!

Remember, the medical marijuana program and distribution system in Colorado
is 100% legal right now. Everyone has a 100% Constitutional right to do
exactly as they are doing right now in Colorado. The state has given *no*
justification for eliminating these Constitutional rights, because there
have been no significant problems with the new medical marijuana industry.
Dispensary owners are not getting arrested because what they are doing is
legal, protected by the Article XVIII Section 14 of the Colorado
Constitution. HB1284 would invite armed money-and-medicine-counters into
health clinics that are creating no problems for the community right now.
Medical marijuana would be regulated stricter than alcohol or narcotics or
child molesters. Every transaction will be video-taped and every gram will
be counted by "auditors with guns."
YouTube - Senator Chris Romer! Marijuana! Auditors! Guns! Best Friends!!!!

We suggest that the state instead set up a Commission to study the issue to
make sure the needs of the patient are foremost in any legislation and to
make sure this complicated issue gets addressed properly.

LEGAL ANALYSES
Click here to read a more detailed analysis of HB1284 from some attorneys.

Attorney Danyel Joffe's Analysis
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Medical Marijuana

Attorney Lauren Davis' Analysis
Cannabis Therapy Institutue - Medical Cannabis (Marijuana) Research, Education and Advocacy in Colorado

Attorneys Robert J. Corry, Jr. and Jessica Corry Analysis
Robert J. Corry, Jr.: "Rocky Mountain High" Medical Marijuana in Danger

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[HighPopalorum]

I completely disagree, I believe that people with marijuana felonies should be allowed to be caregivers.. I think that most people who have caught a felony charge from our wonderful plant, probably have quite a bit more experience than the average person..Remember this was illegal 10 years ago, marijuana has been helping people far longer than mmj laws have been in place.All these amazing strains didn't appear out of thin air as soon as mmj went in to effect, to shut out all the people who helped progress this movement to it's current state IMO is wrong.
The felons that should be barred from working are violent criminals, people who steal ect..

As said in the earlier post, I'd support exemptions for people whose felonies stem from cultivation. I'm not comfortable with for-profit black market sellers with felonies working in this business, for the reasons I already stated.

By making the above statement, it shows me that you have no problem with the unjust drug laws in the country..Laws that do nothing but harm people by, breaking up their families, taking their homes,keeping kids from their parents ect,ect.

Don't know where you're getting that from. I'm pretty open about my opposition to all drug prohibition laws.

Let's be real how many dispensary owners have you talked to that have a clue about mmj maybe 10%

10% sounds low, although I'm no kind of expert. This business is a fountain of lies and bullshit. I bet most of us have had experiences in dispensaries that made us uncomfortable. It's heartbreaking to see "professionals" in this business sort of dangle, tease, the benefits of this drug in order to make their patients spend more money than they should without actually lying. I actually blew my stack in one dispensary waiting room and had to leave after overhearing one of those conversations regarding MMJ's potential to cure cancer. I take care of a retired blind man who is also a patient, and I know that dispensary employees have made misrepresentations, both of the quality of their medicine and its curative effects. After all, it's easy to lay off the lesser product on a guy who cannot even see. We've got to have higher character standards, and standards of care. We owe it to the sick.

(Actually, it's pretty interesting when I bring my friend to a dispensary. He goes entirely by smell, and by verbal description. He can usually identify a batch he's smoked before from smell alone.)

[funkfingers]

wasn't trying to launch a personal attack.. I don't even feel like people with intent sell charges should even be barred..I got charged with that for my head stash..sorry if I came across harsh, nothing personal, this bill has my head spinning..

[milehighmediman]

*shrug*

Why are criminal background checks such a big deal? We do the same for everybody from barbers to liquor store owners to teachers. This might sound a little harsh, but I don't think felons should have any role in MMJ distribution. That five year rule is extremely generous. In my profession, as in most, a single felony or even some kinds of misdemeanors would end a person's career before it began. It is my sincere hope that MMJ caregivers, dispensary owners, and all people involved in this business are held to extremely high standards of personal conduct because of the position of trust they are in vis a vis their patients.

I could live with exemptions for felonies connected with growing marijuana, but it's not wise to allow the general class of felon to be health care providers, especially in an area as new as this industry. Felons should not be giving medical advice to my sick mother, or any other sick people, particularly if there is an underlying financial relationship. The idea of putting the most dishonest and unethical segment of our society in a position of power over the sickest and most vulnerable members of our society is.... well... fucking insane. There's no other word for it. Fingerprinting and background checks and felony prohibitions will help protect patients from conmen and thieves in the exact same way that they protect kids at school from sex offenders.

I don't mean to knock GM, and I think they should definitely proceed with a court challenge to this law, hopefully with other MMJ providers. I'm sensitive to individual circumstances, and understand that not all felonies are equally serious, but felons should not be allowed in this business. Too harsh?

I really tried to ignore this post as I do not like to stir the pot. I do not post much and I have changed my name due to being busted. But I am/was well known to ALOT of people here and on other boards. My free meds on private boards were well known.

However...

This touched a nerve in me. I too am listed as a felon. I have never been in trouble in my life until I got caught. There are plenty of BAD felons out there, they just have not been caught. When I was caught I did not have the luxory of being in a state where it is legal under state rules. I was in a a life threatening accident, I was walking when I was hit a by a motrcyclist going over 80 MPH. I spent over a year in the hospital never supposed to survive. I have so much metal in me that I set off metal detectors in court houses and such. My pelvis was shattered into 30+ pieces. My pelvis bones ripped my rectum apart and stool got into my organs. I had to be opened up and have all my internal organs hand washed. My right kidney expoloded on impact and so much more you can not even imagine. But I survived, even though no doctor gave me a chance to live. I was told 99.999% would have died.
I was eventually told that I would no longer be able to get any pain meds or any type help from my doctors, with the way my body is, if I do I could go into total renal failure, have another heart attack and so on and die. I had no choice but to start to grow. All my doctors agreed that this would be the best thing for me to do.

HOWEVER...

That did not protect me from getting busted. I have been growing since and I gave NUMEROUS meds away to others. I am a veteran and most the people I gave to were disabled veterans. One lost his hands and the other had no legs. I am just trying to survive from something that was no fault of my own and I was busted.
Now I have been marked and carry the word "felon" on my record because I live in a state where it is not legal. Yes my state flag shows CO as my state, but I do not live there, yet. I dream of when I can. I have been trying but I am having trouble finding a decent place to live for my daughters and I. Thats right, I am also a single father of 2 girls who are on the honor rolls at school. They do not drink, smoke or do drugs. Some of you do not realize how lucky you are to live in a place like CO. I wish to move and have the luxuory you all have, but due to not being able to find decent housing for around $650 a month that will allow dogs and look past my criminal record, I cannot move.
Yet, I must endure the life of breaking the law and taking a chance at being sent to jail, taken away from my family. So after reading your words, I feel like am a second class person because I have a felony record. The state I live in counts everything but the roots when they weigh it, even wet weight. It was not like I was growing numerous plants and had ounces laying around. I had 2 Ozs and that is considered a felony also.
I am assuming (as you are on this board) you smoke marijuana, the same as I do, maybe for different reasons and I am to be considered not worthy of being able to help others or own a business? I would not wish what I went through on anyone, but I also would not label someone like you just did.
So here I am having to endure more pain and suffering than you can imagine for the next 2 years (unless I can move) as I am piss tested monthly and no doctor will help me with pain pills due to my internal disabilties. Paying for a law that is totally unjust and you want to tell me I should not be able to be a "caregiver" or own a business because I am a felon?

I really hope someday I can find a place to be able to live out there or I keep hoping and praying for US wide legalization so I do not have to keep worrying about being thrown in jail. I am glad/proud to be in the company of some felons like GM and those who are trying to help others.

HighPopalorum, I have nothing against you and you have your right to say what you want as I just did. I just needed to get it out of my system. Not trying to flame you or start anything.


Later

[GratefulMeds]

Hang in there Mile Hi! There needs to be allot of education regarding our criminal justice system also.:thumbsup:

[milehighmediman]

Hang in there Mile Hi!

Thanx GM! I am trying to, I am taking it day by day.

There needs to be allot of education regarding our criminal justice system also

Truer words were have never been spoken. How is it that drunk drivers, child molestors, murderers and so on can get off easier than someone growing or using marijuana is just beyond comprehension.

[HighPopalorum]

Oh no offense taken in the least. This is the internet, after all, and it's fine to start shit. That's almost the entire reason I post here.

I feel like I have to repeat myself again, though: I'm sensitive to individual circumstances, and I know that not all felonies are equally serious. I think an exemption for people whose felonies stem from cultivation is reasonable.

HOWEVER...

This is a case where the interests of patients and of businesses are opposed. There is no argument I've yet heard that has convinced me that, as a patient, I would be better served if felons are allowed to act as dispensary owners, employees or caregivers. A lot of very sensitive information moves through dispensaries like social security numbers and medical records. I would feel better knowing that the smiling bearded guy who just ran my credit card doesn't have seventeen convictions for identity theft. Patients need to be able to trust their health providers, especially if the patient is disabled in a way that makes them easy to take advantage of. I think a blanket prohibition (with aforementioned exemption) of all felonies for all people who are in contact with patients is a good idea. If it comes to a choice between all felons or none.... sorry milehighmediman and GratefulMeds.