Arizona: Taking Immigration Into Their Own Hands

[Psycho4Bud]

http://boards.cannabis.com/politics/...cks-polls.html

I'd advise everyone to read this sticky over once more. Just got a reported post and I see where this is going. As for now, no foul; in the future there will be.

p.s. The only reason I'm letting this slide is because this is the politics forum...but once again, in the future this will be handled differently.:admin1:

Have a good one!:s4:

[palerider7777]

That seems a little bit harsh way to react not to mention uncalled for, what I assume is a misuse of a word saying drug instead of cannabis one time in a post. (all other instances of the word drug were 100% warranted) But as far as his point on violence and drug gangs goes, couldn't be more true. In fact there are so many countries in this world that the majority of the violence and crime can be directly attributed to the so called American War on Drugs..

Even the continued addiction to narcotics by illicit drug users in this country is bolstered by American laws.

really? you have the balls to sit there and tell him he is being to harsh yet everything you have said has been shit talking and belittling? then you go as far as to report my post and then leave me bad rep?wow talk about a keyboard ninja.talk about a narrow mindset.

[palerider7777]

You are right our government has been selling us out and you will not get me to defend that, however jobs being imported oversees is not a bad thing, it is simply a trade off. We have fewer jobs in those sectors, but in return we get cheaper prices on those goods. The idle part of the population now have a chance to begin working in a new industry. Also, when we have a trade deficit like you mention, it means foreigners are investing in our economy, which in-turn is beneficial to R&D.




Detroit is a shit hole because of liberal laws and government intervention. Other issues need to be addressed, not simply open immigration. If government would step aside, business would have room to grow and increase the job sector.




Again, you see a problem in our system which surely exists, but instead of thinking about changing that problem, you accept it as fact. I find that sad. Corporate welfare should be eliminated as well, however, simply because our government is run by retards does not negate the fact our borders should be opened.

lmao wow i know you want to be cocky about all of this.but when you say things like "you accept as fact" really? what dream world are you in?is it not a fact that this is the way it is NOW?see i love people that think like you you admit the problem but then when it's time to do something you resort back to the same old shit that people had tried to use to change it but it does'nt work.

since you think im just accepting what is wrong then you tell me oh great one how do you plan to fix it? let me guess march,protest,write letters,call in?

if you're as smart as you and red think you are then you would know that none of that has or will work. anything short of a full revolt will do O nada nothing.so when you wake up from your slumber let us know k?cause in the real world it is very much a fact.the main reason they know they can keep raping us is because no one in america will stand together,sure you have lil pockets of people but nothing they can't handle on a local lvl.

now sure to me the right thing to do would be like a work release type of thing.if illegals want to really come here for a better life and not do what they really want to do "slip through the cracks"i'd say maybe 10% of them.then make them sign up for the work program and make them pay taxes on all of that money and a small fee to the country for being here under it.

see i worked in a place 1 time where there was a production line i was a route driver.there was plenty of people around that needed good jobs.guess what the company fired all the locals that worked in the shop.they ended up hiring a group of russians to come over here and work.they would allow these russians to work 100hrs+ aweek the way it's set up is they get no over time it's all str8 pay and no taxes are taken out of that pay.so it's not just mexicans and it's not just cheap jobs noone wants to do.

also your comment on the export import of jobs and people.i really don't see your logic in that 1.how is that a good thing?you say by doing that it lowers our cost on goods? no not really tell me how exporting out most of our jobs but importing tons of people makes sense to you?i really hope i don't have to break that 1 down for you ?

[palerider7777]

http://boards.cannabis.com/politics/...cks-polls.html

I'd advise everyone to read this sticky over once more. Just got a reported post and I see where this is going. As for now, no foul; in the future there will be.

p.s. The only reason I'm letting this slide is because this is the politics forum...but once again, in the future this will be handled differently.:admin1:

Have a good one!:s4:

i really don't see how my post was bad yet these 2 can sit there and say they would piss on and wipe there asses with the constitution.wtf?

the problem is'nt the constitution it's people like that and people in the gov that has twisted it into what they want it to be to control us all.

[RedLocks]

really? you have the balls to sit there and tell him he is being to harsh yet everything you have said has been shit talking and belittling? then you go as far as to report my post and then leave me bad rep?wow talk about a keyboard ninja.talk about a narrow mindset.

yeah you got neg rep from me you deserved it, report your posting though? lol not worth my time, although I will admit the way you are fighting here, you are working your way up to a ban and any number of people could have chosen to report you. As far shit talking or belittling coming from I, where? If I direct a comment at a person , it is warranted not to mentio0n I don't go making shit up when I post.

Have a nice day:thumbsup:

edit:: by the way, said I wouldn't wipe my ass with it, not that I would.. you have any idea how rough a sheet of hemp paper that old would be.. ouch

[JaggedEdge]

lmao wow i know you want to be cocky about all of this.but when you say things like "you accept as fact" really? what dream world are you in?is it not a fact that this is the way it is NOW?see i love people that think like you you admit the problem but then when it's time to do something you resort back to the same old shit that people had tried to use to change it but it does'nt work.

I don't believe I will ever see anarchy in this country, but their are way's to begin reigning in our government. The first step is to convert more and more statist democrats and republicans to more libertarian principles. By voting libertarian leaning politicians into office we will hopefully begin to see more lax regulations and increased freedom. Admittedly, as an anarchist, I don't have much faith in the voting process and it directly contradicts my philosophical position however, I will happily vote for candidates like Ron Paul who promote freedom.

It is a fact this is the situation we are currently in, but when we simply roll over and accept it, tyranny wins. Simply because the road to change is difficult, does not mean it should not be attempted. I will continue to debate these issues with people in the hope more realize government intervention is detrimental to this nation.

since you think im just accepting what is wrong then you tell me oh great one how do you plan to fix it? let me guess march,protest,write letters,call in?

As I said before, the best way to attempt to change the situation is the change the mindset of the voters.

if you're as smart as you and red think you are then you would know that none of that has or will work. anything short of a full revolt will do O nada nothing.so when you wake up from your slumber let us know k?cause in the real world it is very much a fact.the main reason they know they can keep raping us is because no one in america will stand together,sure you have lil pockets of people but nothing they can't handle on a local lvl.

Thomas Paine was a major part in changing the colonies attitude towards Britain with his pamphlet. To say you can never change anything is cynical and without merit. History has taught us nations rise and fall constantly, regimes change, and not all revolutions have to be violent. Accepting your fate surely won't change anything, some of us however are at least trying.

now sure to me the right thing to do would be like a work release type of thing.if illegals want to really come here for a better life and not do what they really want to do "slip through the cracks"i'd say maybe 10% of them.then make them sign up for the work program and make them pay taxes on all of that money and a small fee to the country for being here under it.

I fundementally disagree with taxes and there is no reason there should be a fee. It is a better proposal than a no nonsense approach to immigration though.

see i worked in a place 1 time where there was a production line i was a route driver.there was plenty of people around that needed good jobs.guess what the company fired all the locals that worked in the shop.they ended up hiring a group of russians to come over here and work.they would allow these russians to work 100hrs+ aweek the way it's set up is they get no over time it's all str8 pay and no taxes are taken out of that pay.so it's not just mexicans and it's not just cheap jobs noone wants to do.

Again, why did the company hire the forign workers? To maxamize profits. If the government weren't taxing them the way the do, increase expenses with regulations, etc, perhaps more employers would be more willing and more able to hire local workers. I can't say for certain, however eliminating government control would make that a more likely possiblility.

also your comment on the export import of jobs and people.i really don't see your logic in that 1.how is that a good thing?you say by doing that it lowers our cost on goods? no not really tell me how exporting out most of our jobs but importing tons of people makes sense to you?i really hope i don't have to break that 1 down for you ?

It lowers our cost on goods because the company can produce their product at a much cheaper rate. Factories in third world contries benifit both parties. The western factories pay a higher wage than the local factories in the area, but that wage is still far lower than what they would pay western workers. Hence, the goods are cheaper to produce, and therefor cheaper for the consumer.

People go where the jobs are, if the unemployment rate were to high, people would not want to immigrate to this nation. There is no point in moving to a country for work if their is no work to go around.

The fact is there are a ton of domestic jobs as well, and if the government would step aside, more jobs would be available.

We also aren't exporting MOST of our jobs oversees. We export some, however, as I said before, their are many industries which continue to function within our borders.

[RedLocks]

Cool out jagged,somethings just aint worth getting angry, or engaging in conversation for that matter. In the words of Jay Z, gotta get that.. dirt off yuh shoulder :hippy:

[JaggedEdge]

i really don't see how my post was bad yet these 2 can sit there and say they would piss on and wipe there asses with the constitution.wtf?

the problem is'nt the constitution it's people like that and people in the gov that has twisted it into what they want it to be to control us all.

Obviously the Constitution is not a glorious document since it has allowed for this level of government control. The fact the government continuously ignores the document is proof of it's uselessness.

[palerider7777]

Obviously the Constitution is not a glorious document since it has allowed for this level of government control. The fact the government continuously ignores the document is proof of it's uselessness.

wrong we as a people have allowed it to happen not the document.

[palerider7777]

Cool out jagged,somethings just aint worth getting angry, or engaging in conversation for that matter. In the words of Jay Z, gotta get that.. dirt off yuh shoulder :hippy:

roflmao should have known lmao quoting jay-z lmao wow.