Arizona: Taking Immigration Into Their Own Hands

[JaggedEdge]

wow so what you are saying then is only mexican people get fucked with?i remember being 16 and if i was out past 8 and a cop saw me guess what news flash i got carded.

Wow, could have missed the point more completely? No, it isn't ok for the police to fuck the American citizens, tourists, or illegals!

ok now past that in what fucked up reality is it ok for the true americans get fucked with all the time but we better not mess with outsiders that come over illegally and do all kinds of dmg then jump back over the boarder and poof gone with no trace.plz explain to me why you think it's ok for people that has done nothing for this country is ok to come and go as they plz and use our tax dollar as they plz?

Hmmm... again you amaze me with your poor reading comprehension. Perhaps you should have read the previous things I said in this thread before commenting. Most of the damage you refer to can be credited to the drug war. If we legalized drugs, many of the violent Mexicans would not have a need to cross the border illigally and reek havoc.

As for tax doallars. Perhaps you should look a little deeper and consider what taxes should be used for. The fact illegals can even benifit from our tax system speaks more about taxes than illegal immigration. Perhaps if we eliminated the entitlement programs we wouldn't have these problems.

i really don't see how you are saying 2 wrongs don't make a right? do you know me as an american if i was to go get a fake id what i would be facing if i was caught?then on top of that for everything i used that fake id for i would get charged with that too.so what you are saying is it's ok for people that don't have any stock in this country to come and break our laws as they plz and no one should say anything about it?meanwhile if i was to do a 10th of what these people do i'd be under the jail for life and thats a ok with u?

For fucks sake, stop saying the first thing that comes to your mind. This is what's wrong with our nation. Instead of people realizing it isn't right that American citizens can be charged 10 times for one offense, the average American says, "well if the government is commiting this injustice agaisnt me, it's only fair they commit against my neighbor as well." What we should be saying is, "this is an injustice, and I won't stand for the government commiting this act against ANYONE.

What exactly do "these people do?" Racist a bit?

btw it's odd to see these mexicans always talking about how great mexico is and how great they are yet they want to come here, why?lets see maybe to mooch as much as they can?it's not like the guy in mexico is sitting there thinking man i wish i could get to america so i can help build it up.it's more like this im in this shit hole of a place where my own gov treats us like shit.i want to go to a place where i can stay under ground and noone knows who i am and i can get away with whatever i want.and when im caught i get slapped in the wrist and sent home.

That is where their families are, and of course they have an attachment to their homeland. They come here to make money, not because they want to fuck this country up. The only reason they are "underground" is because we fuck with them at every possible oppertunity. Perhaps many of them turn to crime because they find it increasingly difficult to find work, given this biggoted attitude and government driven persecution. Grant them amneisty, and let them work.

bottom line is if these people really wanted to come here to do good thing and to be apart of america they would do what it takes the right way.it's called earning you're way.so lets not try to get of topic and try to twist things into a race card issue that card has been beat to death already.

The "right way" as you put it, is pathetically inefficient. If their families in Mexico don't have enough food, it is a bit difficult to be patient. They want to get over here as quickly and cheaply as possible so they can start sending money back home. I fail to see what is wrong with that. Our borders should be open to all nationalities, all races, all creeds.

Illegal immigration has benefits for Americans as well. If you need to lay a floor and don't have the money to hire a professional, but are to busy or lazy to lay it yourself, you can go to Home Depot and pick up a worker for fairly cheap. Both parties benefit.

In closing, I want to stress the importance of not focusing purely on results. Everyone seems focused on what has happened, what will happen, and what is happening, but rarely do people consider the causes.

Why do we have so many illegal immigrants? Why is there so much violence on our Mexican border? Etc, etc, etc.

It is also worth noting that lax borders to our north are beneficial to drug users like ourselves. Apparently there is an influx of American citizens crossing over into Canada illegally, buying drugs, and selling them back home. When one nation has a commodity that their home country lacks it tends to promote trade. When government debilitates or worse yet, completely eliminates said trade, people are forced to *don't panic* break the law.

The Mexicans are crossing over illegally to trade their labor for money. Americans cross over to Canada to trade money for drugs. My question to you is this, "Which of these illegal border crossings is worse?"

[palerider7777]

Wow, could have missed the point more completely? No, it isn't ok for the police to fuck the American citizens, tourists, or illegals!



Hmmm... again you amaze me with your poor reading comprehension. Perhaps you should have read the previous things I said in this thread before commenting. Most of the damage you refer to can be credited to the drug war. If we legalized drugs, many of the violent Mexicans would not have a need to cross the border illigally and reek havoc.

As for tax doallars. Perhaps you should look a little deeper and consider what taxes should be used for. The fact illegals can even benifit from our tax system speaks more about taxes than illegal immigration. Perhaps if we eliminated the entitlement programs we wouldn't have these problems.



For fucks sake, stop saying the first thing that comes to your mind. This is what's wrong with our nation. Instead of people realizing it isn't right that American citizens can be charged 10 times for one offense, the average American says, "well if the government is commiting this injustice agaisnt me, it's only fair they commit against my neighbor as well." What we should be saying is, "this is an injustice, and I won't stand for the government commiting this act against ANYONE.

What exactly do "these people do?" Racist a bit?



That is where their families are, and of course they have an attachment to their homeland. They come here to make money, not because they want to fuck this country up. The only reason they are "underground" is because we fuck with them at every possible oppertunity. Perhaps many of them turn to crime because they find it increasingly difficult to find work, given this biggoted attitude and government driven persecution. Grant them amneisty, and let them work.



The "right way" as you put it, is pathetically inefficient. If their families in Mexico don't have enough food, it is a bit difficult to be patient. They want to get over here as quickly and cheaply as possible so they can start sending money back home. I fail to see what is wrong with that. Our borders should be open to all nationalities, all races, all creeds.

Illegal immigration has benefits for Americans as well. If you need to lay a floor and don't have the money to hire a professional, but are to busy or lazy to lay it yourself, you can go to Home Depot and pick up a worker for fairly cheap. Both parties benefit.

In closing, I want to stress the importance of not focusing purely on results. Everyone seems focused on what has happened, what will happen, and what is happening, but rarely do people consider the causes.

Why do we have so many illegal immigrants? Why is there so much violence on our Mexican border? Etc, etc, etc.

It is also worth noting that lax borders to our north are beneficial to drug users like ourselves. Apparently there is an influx of American citizens crossing over into Canada illegally, buying drugs, and selling them back home. When one nation has a commodity that their home country lacks it tends to promote trade. When government debilitates or worse yet, completely eliminates said trade, people are forced to *don't panic* break the law.

The Mexicans are crossing over illegally to trade their labor for money. Americans cross over to Canada to trade money for drugs. My question to you is this, "Which of these illegal border crossings is worse?"

guess i'll call fowl on you too then huh? your ? at the end that is.you just talked about how people don't look at the real issues then you ask which illegal is worse? well from what you said above neither then right?

sorry i don't say the first thing that pops in my head. so in your logic their should be no boarders? don't worry our gov is on it as we speak.i can see it now hey we can't take care of half the people that are here now,hey wait i got an idea lets let everyone in the world flock here and that will fix that huh.wow oh wait we better watch out if to many people flock to cali america might tip over....lmao

we should change america's name to burgerking so we can use the slogan "have it your way" except anything after 9 then you only get what ever shit thats left under the warmer.

all i can say is people better live it up this year cause it might be the last year you will be able to.

[palerider7777]

hey brainiac since you seem to think you have it all fig'd out.this ? is a very easy one for ya.ponder this b4 you respond,tell me how this would work if we open the boarders and say come 1 come all.that would be considered importing people.but for a long time now our gov has been selling us out and all big biz are being exported out.tell me oh great one how do you see that as a good thing?how in your mind does it make sense to allow all these people to come here when most of our jobs are gone.seen places like detroit lately??

i mean i should'nt have to explain economics with the likes of a brainiac like yourself right?

let me guess if we were to allow the gates open our gov would say you know what fuck all that big biz money that we have been paid off by we will make them come home now.roflmao ya ok.

[RedLocks]

umm yea really i read your post above that 1 then that one and responded.that would make no sense for me to make a comment like i did on that post come on.my bad for clicking the wrong post.lmao i bet your head was swelling big time thinking"i got this white prick now muuhahahahahahaha.

make sure you come back with some more smart assed shit cause you have a fan boy now.......oh hey blue how ya been?:thumbsup:

backpedal much? hahahaha so full of failure I don't even know where to begin.

[RedLocks]

That is the most ignorant statement I have read in a while.

I would say he tries his best but it is appearing it is effortless

[RedLocks]

backpedal much? hahahaha so full of failure I don't even know where to begin.

I should probably begin with making a joke about failure is your excuse, but seems way too easy... :wtf:

[RedLocks]

If you were directing that at me, I'm an Anarcho-capitalist. So, being a fan of BG is not exactly in my M.O. Sorry to disappoint, but not everyone who disagrees with statist actions by the right are liberals.

You have to understand, it is a scary world when looking at it though a polarized viewpoint, you most definitely have to be a liberal if you do not agree with someone who the only thing in the person observing you is rhetoric and fear mongering comments from Glen Beck rattling around in an otherwise empty skull case. I personally have repeatedly pointed out my personal apolitical stance and that I am guided by intelligence and a moral system and wouldn't even use the Constitution to wipe my ass with, probably about as un-American as they come.

Yet I can bet he was probably talking about I also. I invited him to explain who these usuall suspect were, even left this thread be for a few days to give him a chance to reply. As per I secret prediction, questions posed towards him were not answered, and the next replies consisted of rhetoric, random links to a story he probably didn't even read, and a stupid comment or two.

[Rusty Trichome]

It is also worth noting that lax borders to our north are beneficial to drug users like ourselves. Apparently there is an influx of American citizens crossing over into Canada illegally, buying drugs, and selling them back home.

You want to talk drugs you can go the fuck away to one of those other sites catering to teens and drug addicts, or to Canada to pick-up more.

Your insight is flawed and insufficient in depth or scope, and your statements laughable. Your consistent labeling of other members that share a different viewpoint than yours is quite revealing about your personality. Demeaning others does not elevate your status on CanCom in the slightest. As a matter of fact, it shows the rest of us just how immature and undereducated you are.

No matter how much you complain, this isn't homey's back-alley dopehouse. This is a medical cannabis community catering cannabis users. Not the "drug users" like yourself. (your self-admission)

[RedLocks]

You want to talk drugs you can go the fuck away to one of those other sites catering to teens and drug addicts, or to Canada to pick-up more.

Your insight is flawed and insufficient in depth or scope, and your statements laughable. Your consistent labeling of other members that share a different viewpoint than yours is quite revealing about your personality. Demeaning others does not elevate your status on CanCom in the slightest. As a matter of fact, it shows the rest of us just how immature and undereducated you are.

No matter how much you complain, this isn't homey's back-alley dopehouse. This is a medical cannabis community catering cannabis users. Not the "drug users" like yourself. (your self-admission)

That seems a little bit harsh way to react not to mention uncalled for, what I assume is a misuse of a word saying drug instead of cannabis one time in a post. (all other instances of the word drug were 100% warranted) But as far as his point on violence and drug gangs goes, couldn't be more true. In fact there are so many countries in this world that the majority of the violence and crime can be directly attributed to the so called American War on Drugs..

Even the continued addiction to narcotics by illicit drug users in this country is bolstered by American laws.

[Rusty Trichome]

Whatever. The insults are laughable, your insight flawed and I don't really give a shit about your 'Freudian slip' regarding cross-border activities you may or may not engage in. I've had discussions with your type many times in here, and it all boils down to the same thing...Y'all bore me with inconsistent facts, bleeding heart anti-Americanism, and a basic understanding of politics that can only be called state-sponsored brainwashing. You've lost the ability to think for yourself, and it shows.
And this labeling everyone that disagrees with your half-thoughts...has a name. Howdy Flamer. :thumbsup: