best way to approach dispensaries to sell product?

[Kartel]

Hey Cozigzag you should find out the name so we can spread the boycott word. We need to get Cali weed out and keep this local, to support local. If they want Cali weed then they need to get the genetics and grow it here.:rastasmoke:

6 months ago, a shop told me that. However, vendors were taking this guy for a ride. I got caught up and even took him for one. We got what we deserved, and for that reason, I won't out him here. :hippy:

[Klonzinc]

6 months ago, a shop told me that. However, vendors were taking this guy for a ride. I got caught up and even took him for one. We got what we deserved, and for that reason, I won't out him here. :hippy:

sounds like Karma caught up with all, if a disp is going to sell my product for 250 a zip I have no problem selling them product for 200, it is when I see my product for 400 a zip I say no to the 200 a zip, I will sell directly to the patient for the 200 before the disp. This is why I am always robbing peter to pay paul......lol

[colagal]

We've noticed a dramatic decrease in the number of vendors showing up.

This whole thread seems academic after HB1284 comes into play. I think dispensaries will need to be very careful regarding how they obtain their meds, since the rules state that they either grow it themselves or obtain from other dispensaries. Otherwise, they risk losing their license, and maybe more. If I am wrong, someone enlighten me as to how vendors will operate legally other than being employed by a dispensary - however that works?

[Klonzinc]

We've noticed a dramatic decrease in the number of vendors showing up.

IMO that is because us small growers can not afford to sell our product for less than 250.00 an ounce, I have never had complaints on my product with exception that we do not have large colas(my comment on that was that we take pride in selling nice trimmed meds and not the wood),actually it has been quite the opposite, we have bubblegum that smells like bubblegum, blueberry that smells like blueberry, manatuska that smells like chocolate and our product has a minium 6 wk cure. But now most call and only want to pay 200.00 per ounce and still expect the quality trim and high grade potency, the problem with this is my cost does not go down, therefore the majority of us small growers will only sell to those willing to pay for the quality and have found a few dedicated buyers and only deal with them as we know we will be treated fairly.

[TheReleafCenter]

If I am wrong, someone enlighten me as to how vendors will operate legally other than being employed by a dispensary - however that works?

If and when it passes, you're right, that's the only way. Private, under five patient caregivers, will no longer be able to vend their extra meds.

But now most call and only want to pay 200.00 per ounce and still expect the quality trim and high grade potency, the problem with this is my cost does not go down, therefore the majority of us small growers will only sell to those willing to pay for the quality and have found a few dedicated buyers and only deal with them as we know we will be treated fairly.

I hear what you're saying and I think $800 is lowballing at its worst. We have select caregivers we work with that always have top shelf meds and are paid top shelf prices. I think the problem a lot of caregivers have is that they always used to set their own prices and were insulated from market pressure. Dispensaries are not.

We're responsible for more than just putting buds in jars. Sure, you have a rough idea of what we pay for an ounce, but not of our overheard. We have to give our patients free meds, too. We have to give extra discounts to patients we caregive for. We have to offset the costs of wellness services we give out for free. We're the ones who have to repurpose your shake for little to no profit. These aren't huge margins, guys.

Most of the experienced growers I know are still turning a profit on what they do. The most frequent complaints I hear are from novice growers who thought they'd just expand what they had already and are dealing with a host of problems that comes with getting bigger. Or from people who just put too much time and effort into a bud for marginal improvements in quality.

[Klonzinc]

If and when it passes, you're right, that's the only way. Private, under five patient caregivers, will no longer be able to vend their extra meds.



I hear what you're saying and I think $800 is lowballing at its worst. We have select caregivers we work with that always have top shelf meds and are paid top shelf prices. I think the problem a lot of caregivers have is that they always used to set their own prices and were insulated from market pressure. Dispensaries are not.

We're responsible for more than just putting buds in jars. Sure, you have a rough idea of what we pay for an ounce, but not of our overheard. We have to give our patients free meds, too. We have to give extra discounts to patients we caregive for. We have to offset the costs of wellness services we give out for free. We're the ones who have to repurpose your shake for little to no profit. These aren't huge margins, guys.

Most of the experienced growers I know are still turning a profit on what they do. The most frequent complaints I hear are from novice growers who thought they'd just expand what they had already and are dealing with a host of problems that comes with getting bigger. Or from people who just put too much time and effort into a bud for marginal improvements in quality.

I have been selling meds to patients for 9+ years, way before dispensaries entered the picture and I could have gotten 400.00 but would only charge 250.00. My patients always get free meds and edibles and I can guarantee there is no dispensary giving the amount we give out free, I agree with what you are saying and yes 800.00 is in insult to growers with multiple years of exp., I also understand your overhead and I know all to well about overhead. but to pay 800.00 for a qp and then sell it for over 400.00 is a flat slap in the face, and if you are paying top dollar to your vendors and getting shake then shame on them, and you for not scolding them. Experienced growers sell bud without shake, or at least I do.

I guess in a way I take what you say as an insult, and that is because you have stereotyped caregivers as not being capable of understanding your costs, this may be an over reaction on my behalf, but come on we all are not just uneducated pot growers. We all have overhead.

[TheReleafCenter]

First, I can only speak for ourselves when I say that we don't sell $400 ounces. We take hits all over the place, like on our free meds/edibles/services, and on a larger scale because we deal with more patients. So you can't just extrapolate out on an 1/8th basis, no one makes that money. I'd wager our overhead and your overhead are on much different scales, as well, with licensing/insurance/security/payroll/advertising to boot. Shake is more just a deterioration issue with stock... if it's in a jar, it's going to loosen up a little bit. We have to deal with everything that is left behind.

Sorry if what I posted came across as smug or pompous. I feel like there is this huge misconception about the true cost of operating a dispensary and that we tend to get the short end of the stick. At times that means I get a little defensive. I don't believe there is a sustainable way to run a dispensary and charge the prices that a private caregiver can, or else we'd see one. Ultimately, it falls on the patient to decide if the ancillary services provided by a MMD beats those of a smaller caregiver. And so far they have, and in droves.

[Klonzinc]

First, I can only speak for ourselves when I say that we don't sell $400 ounces. We take hits all over the place, like on our free meds/edibles/services, and on a larger scale because we deal with more patients. So you can't just extrapolate out on an 1/8th basis, no one makes that money. I'd wager our overhead and your overhead are on much different scales, as well, with licensing/insurance/security/payroll/advertising to boot. Shake is more just a deterioration issue with stock... if it's in a jar, it's going to loosen up a little bit. We have to deal with everything that is left behind.

Sorry if what I posted came across as smug or pompous. I feel like there is this huge misconception about the true cost of operating a dispensary and that we tend to get the short end of the stick. At times that means I get a little defensive. I don't believe there is a sustainable way to run a dispensary and charge the prices that a private caregiver can, or else we'd see one. Ultimately, it falls on the patient to decide if the ancillary services provided by a MMD beats those of a smaller caregiver. And so far they have, and in droves.

I guess that would depend on the size of a caregivers patient base and if they liscensed as a wholesaler to sell meds to dispensaries as I did for my clone business, so we are similar as far as overhead, employees, insurance, rent, security etc.

[sittingone]

I am curious what the process is for keeping a paper trail for tax purposes.

Is all information taken on the seller and then sent an 1099 at the end of the year?

Are receipts exchanged?

Does the seller have to have a business set up?

I would imagine it is different at different dispensaries, but I am talking about nicer places with quality like D9, ReLeaf, etc. where they will expect quality and pay decently for it.

Thanks!
sittingone

[Delta9Billy]

8 months ago, shops were paying folks I know as high as 1300-1400. In my experience, the price is not down to 800 except in the shops that carry only junk. Any shop that has offered me 8 or 9 hundred has just been laughed at. If I was throwing serious weight, lb's and such, then I'd happily come down. That said I wonder what d9 pays cause their prices are pretty low.....

:vader1:
What we pay for medicine varies but we like to keep it in the $1000 per QP range because even with our low prices were trying to go down just a touch more. We also found out that with our overhead( which is probably pretty low as compared to some other dispensaries) that if we pay over $4500 that we actually come close to losing money, especially at our members prices. However, we do acquire some meds at a loss from time to time because we, like our patients, love the best and will happily pay for it. We do have a couple of amazing growers that go even lower then $1000 per QP because they see what we are doing and are trying to help us keep the dream alive. Actually, A lot of our best meds come at slightly lower prices from people that are really trying to make a difference.

As one of our in house growers, I give my meds to Delta9 at an even cheaper price because I enjoy thinking that im actually helping people instead of making them broke, which is exactly what Big Pharma was doing in the first place. I also like to make organic butter, BHO, or edibles out of my sucker buds and sweetleaf and then give it to patients for free because the look that I get from people when I do... well that shit will never get old.

As a grower and a purchaser for a dispensary, I've seen both ends of this argument and I think both sides have a right to be saying what they are saying. Being a part of a dispensary, I can tell you that it takes a ridiculous amount of time, effort, money and a love for what you do to be able to run a quality dispensary. The amount of money required to even keep our doors open is grossly underestimated by the internet crowd. With HB-1284 coming into play it is going to cost us close to 40-50 grand just to be in compliance with the commercial warehouse aspect of it (Worst part being that this will definetely affect the quality of our medicine IMO because as we've all seen: warehouse herb pretty much blows balls) I'm not sure about some of the Trustifarian, Californian, or otherwise shadily funded dispensaries out there, but yet another "registration fee" process that is gonna cost as much as this is, just to keep our doors open, is going to be damn hard to come up with for all the small boutique stores. Unfortunately, I feel like that includes all the best shops in town. With our low prices, the amount of meds we give out for terminal patient Experiment programs, and overhead these reported stacks that we are stacking just doesn't exist. If we were making all this loot im pretty sure I'd already be living on mountain at steamboat, spending the rest of my life boozing with snow bunnies and being an all around bum... As a grower with 7+ years experience I sometimes get a little pissed seeing some of these 100,000 watt grow operations that are actually getting paid more for a QP of some bullshit Generic strain compared to my Boutique meds. Then I Realize that I dont have a huge grow operation nor do I need more money for my QP's because I have successfully evaded turning into the douchebag fucks. Im pretty sure most of these huge grows are sitting on the shitty ass meds they are pumping out anyhow because patients are finally starting to recognize what good meds look like. I'm sure once the craze dies down we will see a lot of these money hungry warehouses biting the dust either from lack of sales or pest infestation from lack of care. At that point hopefully we can get these places growing mid grade meds down to mid grade prices. Im slightly skeptical though considering that some people out there are so focused on making money that they wouldn't even give their mom's free meds. It's cool though, I'll take care of their moms for them... I'll tale care of those ladies all night long. :trooper: