HB10-1284-So growers......what just happened?

[Reenster]

I do not want to sound inflamatory but I sincerely feel that Matt Brown is not looking out for the best interest of the majority of the MMJ community. Its a shame and I fear unless we the community do not start becoming more involved we will be sorry.

It was not easy to sit and read 49 pages of this bill, but after reading Matt Brown 's fact and fiction about the bill, I felt compelled to check for myself. I found his fact vs fiction mostly accurate but it seemed to leave out alot of other major concerns.

There is so much wrong with this bill. They do not want to allow a community to impose an excise tax on MMJ because they said that they did not want to increase the cost to patients. I fail to see how all of this infrastructure can not translate to higher prices for all of us.

When it comes to dispensaries I still feel the patients will controll which places of business will succeed or fail. We do not need regulation. If a business fits a niche it will make it. The fact is this bill will hurt those of us that are trying to grow a little to defray costs of our medicine. I have 5 family members that are patients and with this new bill we would not be able to combine our grows and our resources. Right now I can sell a little of my crops here and there to a dispensary to help defray costs. This allows us to have some more variety in the strains we try. If we really like it we attempt to get a clone or seed of that strain. This will not longer be an option.

[puntacometa]

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I do not want to sound inflamatory but I sincerely feel that Matt Brown is not looking out for the best interest of the majority of the MMJ community. Its a shame and I fear unless we the community do not start becoming more involved we will be sorry.

It was not easy to sit and read 49 pages of this bill, but after reading Matt Brown 's fact and fiction about the bill, I felt compelled to check for myself. I found his fact vs fiction mostly accurate but it seemed to leave out alot of other major concerns.

There is so much wrong with this bill. They do not want to allow a community to impose an excise tax on MMJ because they said that they did not want to increase the cost to patients. I fail to see how all of this infrastructure can not translate to higher prices for all of us.

When it comes to dispensaries I still feel the patients will controll which places of business will succeed or fail. We do not need regulation. If a business fits a niche it will make it. The fact is this bill will hurt those of us that are trying to grow a little to defray costs of our medicine.

While reading this bill last night, my thoughts were drawn from the actual content of this mess to wondering HTF a bunch of legislators who are purportedly educated individuals (and supposedly in charge of our collective well being as a society) could possibly come up with such a tortured excuse for a total clusterfuck. I don't have time to specifically enumerate said clusterfucks at the moment, but they are so prevalent and there is so much contradiction and so many things nebulously addressed that it's amazing to me. Our educational system seems to have done our legislators a great disservice.

Hopefully this POS will be shitcanned as being unconstitutional.

I have 5 family members that are patients and with this new bill we would not be able to combine our grows and our resources. Right now I can sell a little of my crops here and there to a dispensary to help defray costs. This allows us to have some more variety in the strains we try. If we really like it we attempt to get a clone or seed of that strain. This will not longer be an option.

This is how I got into it. I've got over 20 patients now. I know them all very well. They are my patients because they like what I do. My overage covers some pretty massive overhead....(try cranking 30 x 1000W HID's through a winter grow season some time). They are already calling me up with the "WTF is going on?" questions.

[GratefulMeds]

I do not want to sound inflamatory but I sincerely feel that Matt Brown is not looking out for the best interest of the majority of the MMJ community. Its a shame and I fear unless we the community do not start becoming more involved we will be sorry.

It was not easy to sit and read 49 pages of this bill, but after reading Matt Brown 's fact and fiction about the bill, I felt compelled to check for myself."

These guys have been selling us out from the beginning "good ole Mat & Josh" selling out all the people that have been doing this for years, and have paid there dues in a unjust Drug War. Selling out the small guy that just wants a chance like anybody else. Selling out the small mom & pop dispensaries. For Shame!


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"When it comes to dispensaries I still feel the patients will controll which places of business will succeed or fail. We do not need regulation. If a business fits a niche it will make it. The fact is this bill will hurt those of us that are trying to grow a little to defray costs of our medicine. I have 5 family members that are patients and with this new bill we would not be able to combine our grows and our resources. Right now I can sell a little of my crops here and there to a dispensary to help defray costs. This allows us to have some more variety in the strains we try. If we really like it we attempt to get a clone or seed of that strain. This will not longer be an option.[/QUOTE]

Some regulation is going to happen, but it shouldn't happen at the cost of the patients, small growers & small dispensary models. If they go this route your choices of quality strains will be limited unless you want to go back to your underground grower. Which by the way I feel this is all about to keep the Criminal Justice Big Business Machine going. Law enforcement is scared of loosing their slush funds being filled by busting growers and dealers. Which they will amplify but forcing many of us back underground. Kill this Bill!

[Zedleppelin]

Totally agree about Matt Brown, he is and has been nothing more than a lackey for the big dispensaries.

As far as contracting for the dispensaries, I keep hearing this over and over yet everything I read in the bill suggests otherwise, can anyone shed some light on this?

BTW, the co-author of Amendment 20, Warren Edson, has been posting on another forum in support of this bill. :wtf:

[Colodonmed]

It appears to me that the legislation is a setup for the longterm that will cater to the " Big Boys " that have the cash to back this crap. The days of the mom and pops will be ending but probably only in the metro communities where the big money is, so hopefully all the mom and pops that really have a patients well being in their interest will continue on in the small quaint mountain communities and the true patients can still rely upon them and they will thrive with our support. It's only a matter of time ( say 6 years ) as the bill is set for " sunset " in five years. That will allow the big boys ( tobacco ? ) to get their plan in place, get their grows going and bam, then we have " super store " style dispensaries. Good luck guys, stay small and out of the metro and hopefully your patient relationship will carry you forward

[palerider7777]

Totally agree about Matt Brown, he is and has been nothing more than a lackey for the big dispensaries.

As far as contracting for the dispensaries, I keep hearing this over and over yet everything I read in the bill suggests otherwise, can anyone shed some light on this?

BTW, the co-author of Amendment 20, Warren Edson, has been posting on another forum in support of this bill. :wtf:

it's very simple if this bill stops shops from buying from growers when and how they want/need to thats where becoming part of their shop comes in.it says in the bill that shops will have to supply i think it said somewhere around 70+ % of their own meds.that leaves 30% to the small guy.which is not very much.so in order to deal with the shop more than that you would have to be like a sub of sorts under the shops umbrella.which btw opens you up to all kinds of shit.

[GratefulMeds]

it's very simple if this bill stops shops from buying from growers when and how they want/need to thats where becoming part of their shop comes in.it says in the bill that shops will have to supply i think it said somewhere around 70+ % of their own meds.that leaves 30% to the small guy.which is not very much.so in order to deal with the shop more than that you would have to be like a sub of sorts under the shops umbrella.which btw opens you up to all kinds of shit.

the other 30% can only be bought by other centers, this cuts the small growers out completely and why is Warren supporting this? Because he is getting very well paid to support it "Mat, Josh & Friends" are making sure of that.

[puntacometa]

it's very simple if this bill stops shops from buying from growers when and how they want/need to thats where becoming part of their shop comes in.it says in the bill that shops will have to supply i think it said somewhere around 70+ % of their own meds.that leaves 30% to the small guy.which is not very much.so in order to deal with the shop more than that you would have to be like a sub of sorts under the shops umbrella.which btw opens you up to all kinds of shit.

One of my patients just called to ask me if I was setting up my own dispensary since, according to his interpretation of the bill, a patient has to designate a dispensary and once this is done, he cannot shop at any other dispensary. I must have missed this one. Most of my product that is not distributed to my patients is purchased by one dispensary these days anyway and I will be this dispensary's designated grower under the new law but I want my patients to have as many choices as possible...not limit them to just the particular dispensary that is offering my product.

I don't have time to scour the bill right now to verify. Can anyone here who has read the bill verify this?
:wtf:

[TurboALLWD]

This is sickening, and the way I see it I have two options, move the hell out of here when they cut the real medical growers out, or stay and try to fight it with everyone else while hardly being able to pay the bills. If this shit passes here it's only a matter of time before they start taking the rights away from other medical states. I really believe it needs to stop here in Colorado. The people are not raising enough hell, they are informed poorly and don't even know the wool is being pulled over their eyes. Caregivers and patients need more lawyers and lobbyists. We need to screw the big dispensaries that are screwing us.

I'll never support them with my money, and I'm willing to bet most caregivers will never support them, it's the patients that need to be informed. Man I hope Romer and all of the others associated with these bills are voted out of office! It will only get better when these douchebags realize they'll lose their job if they go against the people!

[puntacometa]

It appears to me that the legislation is a setup for the longterm that will cater to the " Big Boys " that have the cash to back this crap. The days of the mom and pops will be ending but probably only in the metro communities where the big money is, so hopefully all the mom and pops that really have a patients well being in their interest will continue on in the small quaint mountain communities and the true patients can still rely upon them and they will thrive with our support. It's only a matter of time ( say 6 years ) as the bill is set for " sunset " in five years. That will allow the big boys ( tobacco ? ) to get their plan in place, get their grows going and bam, then we have " super store " style dispensaries. Good luck guys, stay small and out of the metro and hopefully your patient relationship will carry you forward

This is going to drive this emerging industry underground.....the exact opposite effect that would seemingly be intended were we to have sane people drawing up legislation.