:thumbsup:thanks. I have since installed two fillters and have gotten my ppm's to 200 and the ph is around 7. I figured out that with the humisolve, microblast from earth juice and hygrozyme the ph would continue to rise. After a good cleaning and running just the ionic grow and microblast I can get the ph to 5.7 pretty easy. now I'm getting upward leaf curl. I know its not over watering because I let the medium dry without flooding for a day and no change. Im thinking micro nute def. any ideas?