can't understand christian justification of Old Testament

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

I would think so, since that was a reference to Time Bandits. Which is fictional.



Exactly. Let's just agree to disagree.

The rest of what you had to say is all assumption on your part. You don't know me. You are quite wrong about me and my motives.

Keep in mind that this isn't the Christianity forum. If it were, I'd give it a wide berth. This is a spirituality forum. Belief in god is not a prerequisite to spirituality.

However, generally speaking, spirituality is a divine half to the whole. "God" is merely a title which designates higher authorities and spirits.

In my own beliefs, there is an All Encompassing Infinitesimal Omniversal Universe, the whole of all of reality, and it is the "body" of ONE whole. That collective whole is to what would represent "my" "God".

The spirit of the whole of all wholes. Neither a passive nor aggressive, neither a dominant nor submissive, neither an accusatory nor a forgiving being, just the null void, fluctuating and flowing, infinitely without beginning or end.

The evolution of infinity.


To what i believe, there are no words of god that are not spoken directly to us, constantly.

Even the bible says that god "Speaks the world into existence", which goes hand in hand with what i believe, that the ultimate authority doesnt speak to us through the words of wicked men, but through the very fabric of reality itself, we need only open our hearts to listen.

[hazetwostep]

other than that the part about the babies being killed and such during war was simple.anything that had to do with the evil of the other tribes worship of anything like baal worship and so on was against god.everything had to be killed and destoryed.

and what about that is not absolutely revolting and cruel? why did everything HAVE to be killed and destroyed as you say? for ONE reason alone, because GOD WANTED IT done that way. that is the only possible reason and it is gross. if god had wanted to handle it a different way and be loving and merciful, he could and would have.. after all he is god. he CHOSE to be intolerant and blood-thirsty.

think of this say you were back in those times or even today and you was at war with who ever. and you went and killed the father of a small boy that you were at war with.do you think the lil boy would ever forget you?no he would most likely spend his whole life searching you out to kill you for what you did to his father.

ever watch the movie gangs of new york? if ol bill the butcher would have killed the kid then it would have saved him his life the many years later.

it scares me that you just so nonchalantly justified baby killing. i'm astonished. don't you see something horribly wrong here?

how do you get a god of "peace and love," like you said earlier, from a foundation of baby smashing and child stoning? if he was all-powerful and all-loving, he could have ruled in a merciful way, even back then. what an example to the world that would have been! what an example to me that would have been. instead the people of your faith try to cover up your gods unrepentant dark past with twisted ideas like an "old and new covenant" of god with his people that is supposed to magically make his disgraceful past justified.

how can i follow a god with a track record as blood stained as the god of the judeo-christian faith and maintain any sense of honor, dignity, humanity?

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

haze: leme lay on you this crazy game i've been learning...



You see, we're the programmers, but the trick is, we're not supposed to know that we are. the game functions in a way that our every action sort of "builds" the game. the game is smart, smart as we are. and it's in our heads. you see, it knows what we're thinking, so it knows if we're trying to program the game or not.


If it knows we're trying, well man, we arent going to get what we want.

Now, the original programmers, they snuck into the game some secret hints and tricks we can use, but they hid them real well with gibberish and double talk.

So taking into consideration that we're just playin' a game, what does that make you think about the "rules"? :wtf:

[BlueBlazer]

Someone has been watching too much Matrix.


Just messing with you SSW.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

Someone has been watching too much Matrix.


Just messing with you SSW.

The funniest part is that i've held views like this since i was 12 years old. 12 years ago. (im 24 now, or at least i should be by now)


Matrix was a pretty cool movie and all, but no. just no.

Matrix, The One, Kung Fu Hustle, good movies for martial arts, and generally float around the same topic: the meaning of life.


I like the immaculate RPG analogy because it is accurate and easily related these days.


God is the lead programmer, jesus is all the players guides and respawn times, and our spirits are us, the players, at the controls, while our avatars are our bodies.



NOW just apply that to real life and viola.... voila....?
i dont know how to spell that word... >.< neither one is wrong either <.>


aanyways, yeah... my overall point was that haze could stand to take a step back and reevaluate it for a moment.


Im not saying that christianity, particularly catholicism, is actually correct, but it IS part of the game, and must have SOMEthing worthwhile there, otherwise no one would have wasted the time, space, or effort to program it into the game lol


Like i say, there are grains of truth in all things, even lies.

[hazetwostep]

ssw.. i don't believe there is anything for me to re-evaluate. i have delved deeply into studies of the bible and christianity. i am not saying the bible should be wiped off the face of the planet. there are some good principles mixed into it like the beatitudes and such. it shouldn't be destroyed but placed in the FICTION section of the library along with other pieces of literature like Clancy, Shakespeare, and Graham Greene that are meant to be read in a fictitious manner and not literally.

as far as pretending that it is some magic book inspired by god.. well, the world is complicated enough without adding religious fairy-tale. think about it. why do people "believe" the bible is the word of god? ummmm... because the bible says so? it is blind dedication to logic like this that is truly holding the social evolution of humanity back.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

ssw.. i don't believe there is anything for me to re-evaluate. i have delved deeply into studies of the bible and christianity. i am not saying the bible should be wiped off the face of the planet. there are some good principles mixed into it like the beatitudes and such. it shouldn't be destroyed but placed in the FICTION section of the library along with other pieces of literature like Clancy, Shakespeare, and Graham Greene that are meant to be read in a fictitious manner and not literally.

as far as pretending that it is some magic book inspired by god.. well, the world is complicated enough without adding religious fairy-tale. think about it. why do people "believe" the bible is the word of god? ummmm... because the bible says so? it is blind dedication to logic like this that is truly holding the social evolution of humanity back.

Yeah man, i completely understand what you're sayin', but i consider all of reality to be a work of fiction, so EVERYTHING is under scrutiny at all times .


I consider jesus = neo = luke = frodo = thor = etc.


They are the epitome of the hero of heroes. the role model of role models.

Regardless of fact or fiction, their stories should inspire righteousness and good deeds, without expectation of compensation.

I merely posit that all fictions bear grains and threads of truth, that regardless of the credibility or actuality of religious doctrine, regardless of the actuality or credibility of scientific record, these things are available to us to learn from and grow as persons.

Keeping in mind that all parts of the whole bear equally real opposites, religion and science are both equally important and factual, as well as equally fictional and misleading.

Remember not to take the bible literally, when reminding others not to take the bible literally :rastasmoke:

[BlueBlazer]

SSW, if I understand you correctly your view of life, the universe, and everything is a like a theory I like to play with. It's called the Astral Slide Theory (c)(TM). It goes like this:

We are all just energy beings that became bored and invented this "reality" to experience (like a game). In order for it to work to the fullest extent, we must forget our actual existence and concentrate on this "existence". Like children waiting for a playground slide, we wait our turn, slide through lives in this reality and then run around to get back in line for another ride.

It pleases me to think that if this is true, ZZ Top wrote the background music for it all.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

SSW, if I understand you correctly your view of life, the universe, and everything is a like a theory I like to play with. It's called the Astral Slide Theory (c)(TM). It goes like this:

We are all just energy beings that became bored and invented this "reality" to experience (like a game). In order for it to work to the fullest extent, we must forget our actual existence and concentrate on this "existence". Like children waiting for a playground slide, we wait our turn, slide through lives in this reality and then run around to get back in line for another ride.

It pleases me to think that if this is true, ZZ Top wrote the background music for it all.

ABSOLUTELY!!!


But i think the soundtrack to reality is a lot more than ZZ Top!! Everyone from Hendrix to Santana, from Black sabbath to Cock Pit, all the world's greatest from Bach to Weird Al. "what if god smoked cannabis" ;D


When humans make it to start colonizing space, the soundtrack switches to Black Sabbath's Iron Man...



There is only one problem with the game of life.....


It's starting to get old...

[BlueBlazer]

When humans make it to start colonizing space, the soundtrack switches to Black Sabbath's Iron Man...

I'm thinking 2000 Light Years From Home...classic Rolling Stones. :thumbsup: