Quote Originally Posted by irydyum
Only touchy when you are the second noob to slam an idea/process that you have zero hands on real world experience with. That's the difference between you and the people you are arguing with. They own/create/engineer LED lighting with a specific passion for MJ. You say it can't be done cost effectively because you simply don't know the technology.

The HID bulbs I use cost $92 every time i have to replace them. I run 2, so that's $184 every 8-12 mos. Over the lifetime of the 2 LED bars that could replace my 2 400w HID's, that is a potential expense of near $2000 over the 10 year life of LED.

Now we can factor in cost of cooling, whatever means you use, and pretty much half that.

Now you can factor in the energy savings over time, which ironically, is pretty much half of HID for a comparable result.

Maybe this will paint a different picture about how LED's can save you money instead of costing you money, as so many are apt to believing. I don't even own an LED, but I can see the advantages, and thanks to NO BULLSHIT members of this community that you seem to enjoy refuting, I'm no longer skeptical. To me it was never the money or the science, that stuff all works out on paper to be exact. It was the results that were speculative at best, but now my eyes are open to a new generation of LED growers that are doing bigger and better things.

It's hard to argue when ur high off your ass on a nice crystally dense tasty LED bud, so give these guys a break too. They will show you how and why it works if you are willing to sit back, take the blinders off, light a spliff, and really listen.

Just one man's :twocents:
Here here! My thoughts exactly, only put more eloquently :thumbsup:

I'm having to start over, and all these reasons led (haha) me to run with LEDs this time. Plus I'm all about the experimentation, leads me to learn new things each grow that many people wouldn't know by just following a grow guide or mentorship.

I'll be starting a log with the LED panel soon, so feel free to check out my humble results in a few months.