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04-10-2010, 10:48 AM #21Senior Member
Philosophy of Religion
Originally Posted by JohnnyZ
There are many cultures who still live in societies that are patriarchal or matriarchal. This seems to be diminishing. Even so, people think in terms of gender. They even refer to inanimate objects in ways that suggest gender.
I call God him or his sometimes. I try not to, but I do it anyway. I was raised in a family who believed that God is a male figure. So it was pounded into my head from an early age. I don't think God is male though, I only use male gender to describe God because of habit.
God doesn't have gender. Gender is something living organisms have. Gender is something we need to procreate. God has no need to reproduce, therefore no need of gender.
Originally Posted by JohnnyZ
If man can comprehend the existence of the universe and of reality, they can comprehend perfection. Man's comprehension falls short when we have preconceived notions about that perfection or when we try to decide what perfection is. What exists in the universe is perfect for the universe otherwise it wouldn't exist. Sense the universe is all that it is composed of, it is also perfect.
Some may say we are not perfect because we fail and die. Having failure and death is just as much a part of man as success and life. The way we work is perfect for our place in the scheme of things. This is true even if it seems that we do things that are imperfect. This is so even if we change over time.
People only need to realize, it is not us who decides perfection. Reality is the decider of that.
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04-10-2010, 11:27 AM #22Senior Member
Philosophy of Religion
Originally Posted by pepurr
Originally Posted by pepurr
I'll got a step further. When humans began to contemplate higher being(s), they logically assigned human attributes. The human race has "created" god(s), not the other way around.
Originally Posted by JohnnyZ
I believe much as perpurr that there is a god that is everything, including ourselves. I do not believe in a personal god that cares or responds to anything in a human way.
We can't even really comprehend the sheer numbers of galaxies in our observable universe. To understand "god" one must first understand the universe. In that respect, science is doing more to define what god is than religion that only seeks to solidify and propagate a self-contained image of god who "wants" you to behave in certain ways (what ways depend on the religion) and believe in certain things (again depending on the religion).
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04-10-2010, 05:30 PM #23OPSenior Member
Philosophy of Religion
My point though was the kind of God we're talking about is not gender specific, is perfection and imperfection, is everything.. Oneness..
Everything already has a name though.. Universe.
I'm just trying to draw conclusions here, and it's tough man. This is the first time I've contemplated the notion of God in this light. I keep coming back to my ego-loss experiences and the more I relate God in the senses I felt in those times.. the stranger it is, but also the more sense it makes at the same time.
Fuck now I am just confusing myself
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04-11-2010, 02:24 PM #24Senior Member
Philosophy of Religion
Originally Posted by JohnnyZ
Originally Posted by JohnnyZ
Originally Posted by JohnnyZ
Never be like the ones who believe they have all the right answers. Always question everything. Keep an open mind, and do not close it off to new knowledge. Knowledge is a gift of God and wisdom is bought with time.
When people get angry with you because you question things or because you don't believe the way they do, wish them well and walk away. They have the reward they seek. But if they wish to debate in good will and calmly, join the debate and learn from them, and they can learn from you.
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05-02-2010, 09:17 PM #25Senior Member
Philosophy of Religion
Originally Posted by JohnnyZ
Rationality is the product of "rules of the human mind". if you mean to say the nature and physics of the human brain, then rationality is a product of nature and not science.
If you mean the rules which humans create in their minds, then rationality is irrationally founded.
However, if the physics of the human brain are the source of rationality, then human beings could not be or act irrationally.
The universe exceeds rationality?
I cant fit all of reality in my head, but all of reality still exists... how is that for your model of rationality?
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05-04-2010, 11:51 PM #26OPSenior Member
Philosophy of Religion
A product of the human mind meaning that we, as individuals or societies or religions, decide what is rational. It's make-believe is what I'm trying to say.
You can't go blaming everything on nature dude. There is also nurture to be accounted for. We are a combination of who we want to be and what we are shaped to be. Your past never leaves you.
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05-05-2010, 10:44 PM #27Senior Member
Philosophy of Religion
Originally Posted by JohnnyZ
Originally Posted by JohnnyZ
Also a negative environment can motivate a person to overcome and "succeed" despite that person's upbringing. Similarly, a person raised with love, encouragement, and all the breaks can still grow up to be a serious jerk. Just saying.
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05-10-2010, 01:34 AM #28Senior Member
Philosophy of Religion
Originally Posted by JohnnyZ
AH, Nature is the natural nurturer, dude.
The universe is one gigantic ecosystem that is constantly nurturing itself naturally.
As is the human body.
As is the earth.
We, human bodied people, have to take efforts into nurturing ourselves, but nature also provides for us, which is, in effect, nurturing us, like a mother nurtures her child.
Religion and Civilization are irrational byproducts of irresponsible and un-matured minds, fearful of reality, of nature.
When one is negligent of their natural, internal, nurturing, one will assume that external nurturing is all there is available.
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05-11-2010, 03:50 AM #29OPSenior Member
Philosophy of Religion
Yes, I realize this. I believe that we are all one. We all came from an infinite point of singularity after all.
But you are totally missing my point. Largely due to humanity's historically consistent ignorance, we have arisen from this oneness into a state of consciousness separate from the whole. In this separation, we have, on our own terms, instilled rights, wrongs, morals, and the like.
Indeed, there is a universal consciousness. But all that are part of it do not necessarily perceive it as such. At least not yet. We are in that state of limbo right now. Hence our notions of right and wrong.
An example would be the "right" way to raise a child, which is not necessarily the "natural" way to raise a child.
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05-13-2010, 07:59 PM #30Senior Member
Philosophy of Religion
Originally Posted by JohnnyZ
The idea is that we need to take responsibility, not just let it go and watch it destroy everything.
WE, HUMAN BEINGS, are responsible for creating a monster. it is up to no other entity but our collective selves to slay this monster, lest we allow it to dominate our world, our lives, and our futures.
Do we want to submit to a mechanical demon of our own creation, that has been fueled with the "right" to take every last resource in the universe for it's own personal benefit, regardless of how it affects it's own creators, us? :wtf:
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