Size of plants allowed

[killerweed420]

For now, I'll just assume it's 15 live, green things max.

A club owner told me about plants under a foot not counting. It's surprising that even the most informed of us still don't really know for sure.

If you come to a point medically that you feel you need more than the 15 plants or 24 ounce 60 day supply, talk to the doctor that geave you the authorization to let him know you need more so it can be added to his chart notes and be prepared to get lawyered up. It is perfectly legal in some situations to grow more but it will become an issue with your local gendarmes if they trump up some reason to serve a search warrant.

[seattlegreens]

If you come to a point medically that you feel you need more than the 15 plants or 24 ounce 60 day supply, talk to the doctor that geave you the authorization to let him know you need more so it can be added to his chart notes and be prepared to get lawyered up. It is perfectly legal in some situations to grow more but it will become an issue with your local gendarmes if they trump up some reason to serve a search warrant.

A doctor had a case in Spokane recently (last weekend?) where his patient was charged with growing, although they had a card.
Since they were growing about 60plants however, they still got charged because the court believed there to be no medical necessity for the amount of plants.

This doctor specifically said that if you want to grow, please do not exceed 15 plants so that this does not happen again. He is willing to go to bat for anybody that does not exceed this (and probably will try for anybody not selling it).

I don't grow because I don't have the space for it, nor the balls to take the risk. I do plan to have a fellow patient become a caregiver though, and I'd like them to be as safe as possible. One thing I was thinking is getting a 2nd card for myself from a 2nd doctor. This way I would have 2 medical opinions, and could have 2 doctors come to court. It seems the court would be hard pressed to discredit the medical opinion of 2 completely unrelated doctors.

[jamessr]

A doctor had a case in Spokane recently (last weekend?) where his patient was charged with growing, although they had a card.
Since they were growing about 60plants however, they still got charged because the court believed there to be no medical necessity for the amount of plants.

This doctor specifically said that if you want to grow, please do not exceed 15 plants so that this does not happen again. He is willing to go to bat for anybody that does not exceed this (and probably will try for anybody not selling it).

I don't grow because I don't have the space for it, nor the balls to take the risk. I do plan to have a fellow patient become a caregiver though, and I'd like them to be as safe as possible. One thing I was thinking is getting a 2nd card for myself from a 2nd doctor. This way I would have 2 medical opinions, and could have 2 doctors come to court. It seems the court would be hard pressed to discredit the medical opinion of 2 completely unrelated doctors.

DOCTORS NAME PLEASE. WHAT CLINIC.

[killerweed420]

A doctor had a case in Spokane recently (last weekend?) where his patient was charged with growing, although they had a card.
Since they were growing about 60plants however, they still got charged because the court believed there to be no medical necessity for the amount of plants.

This doctor specifically said that if you want to grow, please do not exceed 15 plants so that this does not happen again. He is willing to go to bat for anybody that does not exceed this (and probably will try for anybody not selling it).

I don't grow because I don't have the space for it, nor the balls to take the risk. I do plan to have a fellow patient become a caregiver though, and I'd like them to be as safe as possible. One thing I was thinking is getting a 2nd card for myself from a 2nd doctor. This way I would have 2 medical opinions, and could have 2 doctors come to court. It seems the court would be hard pressed to discredit the medical opinion of 2 completely unrelated doctors.

In this weeks case in Shelton that is exactly one of the arguements the prosecutor made. The defendents had got 4 different MMJ authorizations from 4 different doctors in a 7 year period. He was trying to both smear the doctors name plus make the defendents look like they were trying to beat the system. Generally the best thing you can do is get the MMJ authorizations from a doctor not connected to these docs in a box. And also make sure the doctor wrtites in his chart notes how effective the medicine is being and whether more maybe required. These docs in a box are not very good at keeping good chart notes and those will be brought into a case as evidence.

[seattlegreens]

That's good advice getting MMJ from a regular doctor.
Especially good if you could get it from your family doctor that you have been to for years.

I had not heard about the Shelton case. Did it seem that having 4 doctors write him MMJ recommendations was actually detrimental to his case, or just one of the facts?

Seems it would be more difficult to smear 4 doctors than to discredit only one... but if the judge says differently, it would be nice to know.

[killerweed420]

That's good advice getting MMJ from a regular doctor.
Especially good if you could get it from your family doctor that you have been to for years.

I had not heard about the Shelton case. Did it seem that having 4 doctors write him MMJ recommendations was actually detrimental to his case, or just one of the facts?

Seems it would be more difficult to smear 4 doctors than to discredit only one... but if the judge says differently, it would be nice to know.

The prosecutor tried to make it look like it was nefarious but it wasn't. Mainly because the one defendent is terminal and was needing a lot of meds to help and they were both opiate intolerant. The problem was 2 of the docs in a box were either writing expirations dates or writing amounts of meds on there MMJ authorizations. Writing amounts on the authorization is illegal. They were just trying to be as cautiious as possible about covering there butts. The problem was that neither of them were very knowledgeable about the new law and unaware of how vague and convoluted it is. And so because they weren't attorneys they got hammered.
Its important for all you MMJ growers to try and read up as much as possible about your rights and try to cover your butts till this gets cleaned up.
Some hints:
Keep your doors locked
If possible grow in an outer building that is kept locked
Put a copy of your MMJ authorization in a dry place outside of the locked building for officers to look at.
Do not EVER open your door to talk to the police, remain inside and talk to them through the door or a window.
USE YOUR 5th AMENDMENT RIGHTS
And remember MJ is still not legal, it only allows for a defense arguement in court. If you go to court be prepared to subpeona your doctor because most don't want to be in court.

[jamessr]

BEST THING TO DO IS NOT USE A DOC-IN-THE-BOX DOCTOR....:thumbsup: THESE FOLKS ARE CAUSING HUGE COURT PROBLEMS WITH PATIENTS CASES BECAUSE THEY DON'T OWN THE BUSINESS AND ARE IGNORANT OF THE LAWS BECAUSE OF SUCH. THEY RELY ON SOMEONE ELSE TO COVER LEGAL ISSUES, THE CONTRACT OWNER OF THE CLINIC...WHO IS NOT A DOCTOR, WHO ONLY CARES ABOUT PROFITS...

WAKE UP PEOPLE...

[killerweed420]

So far that hasn't caused any issues at all. Its mainly that doctors are nto educating themselves enough on the legal aspect of this on how to legally protect there patients. And a big factor too is patients not understanding the law enough to cover there butts.
If you're going to grow more than the guideline amount, talk to your doctor and tell them the MMJ is working but you need more than the 15 plant guideline. Have him document that in his chart notes not the MMJ authorization form. And as usual it may all be for nothing, the police may rip out your garden and confiscate everything, drag your ass in court,end up with a shitty jury and then you end up with a felony on your record all because you were frowing a perfectly natural plant for medicine. Its a very unfair system but nobody ever said life was going to be fair. All we can do is to keep putting political pressure on the thugs in control of our legislatures and congress. There's still a long fight left, its not over just because we have an affirmative defense option in court.

[jamessr]

So far that hasn't caused any issues at all. Its mainly that doctors are nto educating themselves enough on the legal aspect of this on how to legally protect there patients. And a big factor too is patients not understanding the law enough to cover there butts.
If you're going to grow more than the guideline amount, talk to your doctor and tell them the MMJ is working but you need more than the 15 plant guideline. Have him document that in his chart notes not the MMJ authorization form. And as usual it may all be for nothing, the police may rip out your garden and confiscate everything, drag your ass in court,end up with a shitty jury and then you end up with a felony on your record all because you were frowing a perfectly natural plant for medicine. Its a very unfair system but nobody ever said life was going to be fair. All we can do is to keep putting political pressure on the thugs in control of our legislatures and congress. There's still a long fight left, its not over just because we have an affirmative defense option in court.

Can you list off every court case in washington and which Dr.'s have signed in those cases???? each one is a doc-in-the-box, namely THCF.....no others are on the books my friend....so yes, it is da doc-in-da-boxes fucking shit up for us here in washington....get rid of them and we solve a big huge patient problem here in wa.....anything less is just bullshit.

[killerweed420]

The gove signed the new law so that PAC's and others can know sign MMJ authorizations. That should help. They can't legally write prescriptions so they don't have to worry about the DEA breathing down there necks.
But as I've said before, if LEO feels like targeting you they will.