NNNOOOOOOOOOO!! Whatever you do don't get rid of or stop using you EZ-CLONER! I can't believe you aren't having success with it. Its usually pretty dead on 100% with the people that I have spoken with. I personally made my own bubbled with 2 6'' bubbler stones and the 3 watt air pumps. Its only the second time I've used it but sop far 100%.NO superthrive is necessary. Especially dipping it in for 30 seconds. I drop 5 drops of superthrive in my bubbler because it has 5 gallons of ph'd water at 6.1-6.3. Try nut dipping them in the superthrive and give it a shot. What is the temp of the actual clones? The temp you have for the water is pretty solid but I've heard optimum is 78f with the clone temp around 74. PPLLLEEASSEEE give the ez cloner another chance without the superthrive. :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:those things are the shit