hb10-1284 set to be voted on tomorrow

[ColoradoCareMMJ]

In the politest way possible, I'd like to point out that this isn't true. None of the charities mentioned pays seven figures. The Red Cross's board is volunteers. PETA's highest paid board member makes about $70,000. Unicef board members make six figures. It's likely they have other sources of income, but what you said wasn't even approximately true.

Volunteers...? Red cross executives make 200-400k a year.

Chief Executive : Gail J. McGovern, President and Chief Executive Officer
Compensation*: $

Highest Paid Executive: Marsha Evans, Former President and Chief Executive Officer
Compensation*: $1,183,811

Chair of the Board: Bonnie McElveen-Hunter
Chair's Profession / Business Affiliation: President, Pace Communications

Board Size: 28

The chief executive of the American Red Cross, Gail J. McGovern, earned $467,252 in 2008.

....and PETA. Well they aren't living too shabby either.



Maybe you should do some research before just throwing my claims to the wind...

Total income $372,131,340
Program expenses $325,126,187
Fund raising expenses 30,823,838
Administrative expenses 11,161,336

Total expenses $367,111,361
Income in Excess of Expenses 5,019,979
Beginning net assets 30,728,049
Other Changes in Net Assets 2,790,313
Ending net assets 35,748,028
Total liabilities 75,913,395
Total assets $111,661,423

Unicef alone spends 11.1 million a year on salaries alone.....

[Kartel]

Volunteers...? Red cross executives make 200-400k a year.





....and PETA. Well they aren't living too shabby either.



Maybe you should do some research before just throwing my claims to the wind...



Unicef alone spends 11.1 million a year on salaries alone.....

+rep!

Thanks for saving me the time of digging up those numbers!

[palerider7777]

Hi,
Dont you just love seeing posts from dispencerys crying about the law changes...LOL...wonder if they realise that this is all because of them and there efforts to be to big for big profits.....I mean...how many small growers who grow for there own medical needs has been busted?...all the ones I seen so far were in violations of there counts not having patients to justifiy the counts and privit growers some of wich I know have been served warrents and searched after words the cops left empty handed as all was in order...its simple addition folks...and when patients finaly get sick of all the red tape these operations bring to the table for them to deal with maybe they will finaly stop going to these places and supporting them.

frankly I dont think any of those laws will do a thing to the patient sitting in there own home growing there own medicine...I think it only becomes relitive to the patient when they go outside of the rules and have 71 plants to 1 card...then they fall into the same catigory as the dispencerys...part of the problem rather then part of the salution....but this is just my opinion ....

well in a way it does hurt the small growers more than it does the shops.remember the 2oz limit? most growers on a small scale with say 6 to 12 plants grow more than that.also since it can only be on the plant so long b4 it will start to degrade and to recoop the money to grow it.they would rather be able to sell it to a shop the extras that they can't use because of the 2oz at a time bs rule.this will hurt them directly.if things in the bill don't change.

[HighPopalorum]

CCMMJ:

Although I'm happy to be corrected, I stand by what I said. The Red Cross's board is indeed volunteers, except for the head, who draws a salary. Being on the Board of Governors is accounted a high honor, although they draw no pay. PETA's highest paid board member is their attorney, who makes a bit over 70k. Ingrid Newkirk, founder and director of PETA, makes $37000 and lives in a one-bedroom apartment. UNICEF board member salaries are in the low six figures. The new information you posted (a picture of PETA's headquarters, a statement showing UNICEF spends 11M on administrative costs, an edited BBB report) doesn't bear on anything I said. As far as I can tell, after a half hour's additional search, not a single board member of any of the charities you named makes seven figures, only one makes above half a million, and the rest are in the high five or low six-figure range.

I really don't mean to be rude or confrontational - it's just that I can in no way reconcile your statements regarding charity board member salaries with the truth. Last post on this subject for me since it has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Email me, if you like, at my nickname @gmail.com.

[palerider7777]

Was I talking to you, I do not think so. Just because I believe in states
rights and a small federal government does not make me Glen Beck. But now that you have brought it up, that idiot glen want's to legalize marijuana and stands on the peoples side, and he is not a conservative he is a libertarian so why is that so bad? The fact is there are still a few good dems out there but not many. The Dems, just like the republicans, have been highjacked by progressives and that is why this country is falling apart. People love to talk about how our healthcare system is so fucked, but when you compare it to the rest of the world it is so much better than most. Yes we need to fix some things in the industry but giving all the power to Obama is a stoopid thing to do. That dumb ass has not kept one promise except pass some bull shit bill that forces me to buy insurance I do not want. When all these liberals try to tell me I must have something I do not want I big red flag goes up in my head. I tore my ACL in my knee a week ago and I am getting surgery next week so I am dealing with this issue right now and I will tell you one thing for sure I am glad I am in america to get my surgery. My dad is a doctor and he told me a funny story the other day. If this government controlled health care shit is so good then why did the Prime minister of Nova Scotia come to my dads practice to get operated on. He knows are system is better and that is why he came to the USA and payed out of pocket to get the best care in the world. If people keep fucking with our doctors we are going to be sorry. I am an independent myself and all I have to say is it is time for a third party.

the reason people throw around names like glen beck and others.is because people have been brain washed into thinking with blinders on.people like to label themselfs as a part of one group or another.im a dem,im a rep,im an independant so on.most that call themselfs an ind are more on the fence and really lean to 1 of the either sides more or less.so even tho someone says they are ind most are not in the true sense of the label.

now back to glen beck or whoever.lets say a person calls themselfs a ind but has mostly dem/lib views when ever something comes up that goes against a dem/lib view of things no matter if it was right to the tee they will lash out against it.why? because they feel it's an attack on them as it's not on the dem/lib side of things.

thats 1 way it works,then in the same respect of things say a person they like alot or someone that has views on things that are inline with their own. comes out and says i don't like so and so for whatever reason no matter what the bad guy says after that no matter how good or how right he could be they will still hold that hate for them.it's how most humans work,instead of breaking down what someone says per subject. they take 1 thing they don't like about the person and make everything about that.very simple minded way of thinking.

[palerider7777]

Volunteers...? Red cross executives make 200-400k a year.





....and PETA. Well they aren't living too shabby either.



Maybe you should do some research before just throwing my claims to the wind...



Unicef alone spends 11.1 million a year on salaries alone.....

agreed there is so much corruption in these so called"charities".

[Vancefish]

Hi,
Dont you just love seeing posts from dispencerys crying about the law changes...LOL...wonder if they realise that this is all because of them and there efforts to be to big for big profits.....I mean...how many small growers who grow for there own medical needs has been busted?...all the ones I seen so far were in violations of there counts not having patients to justifiy the counts and privit growers some of wich I know have been served warrents and searched after words the cops left empty handed as all was in order...its simple addition folks...and when patients finaly get sick of all the red tape these operations bring to the table for them to deal with maybe they will finaly stop going to these places and supporting them.

frankly I dont think any of those laws will do a thing to the patient sitting in there own home growing there own medicine...I think it only becomes relitive to the patient when they go outside of the rules and have 71 plants to 1 card...then they fall into the same catigory as the dispencerys...part of the problem rather then part of the salution....but this is just my opinion ....

Hmm, although I think your somewhat correct about SOME of the dispensaries(the few supporting the lobby). Attacking Bryan, (whom I believe is against the state screwing the smaller growers), Isn't going to gain you any friends around here. I don't know Bryan extremely well. However I've visited his shop 10-12 times. The 4-5 when he was there he gave me great grow advise. When he wasn't there, either his mother(I think??) or his cousin helped me. Both of which are also great and helpful people.

Also one of the most interesting home grow operations I've ever seen was a guy who grew just for himself and some family members. He kept a number of small bonsai moms. Each week he'd cut 5 clones from the moms. Then move five rooted clones(from the previous week) into soil and put them directly into flower. Each week as he added 5 newly potted clones, he's move five completed plants from the other end of the box, and slide all the younger plants over toward the taller end of said flower box. This guy produced two ounces every week which covered all of his "patients" without ANY overgrowth to sell! Not one plant ever achieved 12 inches tall!

What do you think his total plant count might be??(you'd call it obviously illegal),.... It was 71. If you include all Moms and clones!

In the opposing corner, I COULD produce 9 pounds with JUST my three in flower. IF I let them veg long enough, and used the proper technics. Like this guy:

http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-gr...-bubblers.html

Thus I believe the entire plant count portion of our law is as much a load as the entire war on MJ.

However a number of the dispensaries are against ending their ability to buy from anyone they choose. Personally I'd like to see a list of which dispensary owners ARE supporting this lobby. I have a hard time believing Bryan would support them, but it would be nice to know which places are actually TRYING to screw the little guys so I could bad mouth the right ones!:thumbsup:

[copobo]

However a number of the dispensaries are against ending their ability to buy from anyone they choose. Personally I'd like to see a list of which dispensary owners ARE supporting this lobby.

I would like to see that list as well. Who ARE the dispensaries lobbying against us?

[GratefulMeds]

I would like to see that list as well. Who ARE the dispensaries lobbying against us?

Go talk with Josh Stanley at Peace and Medicine or Matt Brown they have a list I am sure!

[ColoradoCareMMJ]

CCMMJ:

Although I'm happy to be corrected, I stand by what I said. The Red Cross's board is indeed volunteers, except for the head, who draws a salary. Being on the Board of Governors is accounted a high honor, although they draw no pay. PETA's highest paid board member is their attorney, who makes a bit over 70k. Ingrid Newkirk, founder and director of PETA, makes $37000 and lives in a one-bedroom apartment. UNICEF board member salaries are in the low six figures. The new information you posted (a picture of PETA's headquarters, a statement showing UNICEF spends 11M on administrative costs, an edited BBB report) doesn't bear on anything I said. As far as I can tell, after a half hour's additional search, not a single board member of any of the charities you named makes seven figures, only one makes above half a million, and the rest are in the high five or low six-figure range.

The POINT I was making that you can run a NPO and still make a 7-figure salary, I just named the top 3 most recognizable non profits. There is a ridiculous amount of "NPO's" that have salaries just the same. Here are a few just for you to get the idea.

Top 10 executive compensation packages at big non-profits in 2008:

1. Partners HealthCare System James Mongan, CEO $3,421,870
2. Museum of Modern Art Glenn Lowry, director $2,710,607
3. Children's Hospital of Philadelphia Steven Altschuler, CEO $2,371,282
4. New York University John Sexton, president $1,385,339
5. Columbia University Lee Bollinger, president $1,380,035
6. University of Pennsylvania Amy Gutmann, president $1,279,819
7. Yale University Richard Levin, president $1,200,583
8. Johns Hopkins University William Brody, president $1,198,964
9. University of Southern Calif. Steven Sample, president $1,161,721
10. Metropolitan Opera Assoc. Peter Gelb, GM $1,158,296

Highest-paid non-profit employees

Top 10 employee compensation packages at big non-profits in 2008:

Organization Highest-paid employee2 Total comp.1

1. Yale University David Swensen, chief investment officer $4,389,727
2. University of Southern Calif. Pete Carroll, head coach, football $4,386,652
3. Columbia University David Silvers, clinical professor of dermatology $3,738,419
4. Duke University Mike Krzyzewski, head coach, men's basketball $3,705,909
5. Cornell University Zev Rosenwaks, professor obstetrics and gynecology $3,392,417
6. University of Chicago James Madara, vice president medical affairs $2,870,997
7. New York University James Grifo, professor obstetrics and gynecology $2,867,596
8. University of Pennsylvania Ralph Muller, CEO, University of Pennsylvania Health System $2,518,232
9. Stanford University John Powers, president Stanford Management Co. $2,429,757
10. Princeton University Andrew Golden, president, Princeton University Investment $2,091,425

Note: Other non-profit organizations may pay their executives more than executives listed here. 1 = may include base salary, bonus, incentive pay earned over several years, retirement, health insurance, housing, or other payments. 2 = other than CEO; Source: The Chronicle of Philanthropy