hb10-1284 set to be voted on tomorrow

[lampost]

I think I can clarify this... but my usual caveat applies: I'm not a lawyer, just a reader.

You've conflated the rules for MMCs (dispensaries) and caregivers, which are treated differently in the bill. Dispensaries are not obligated to sell at cost. That rule only applies to caregivers. If you want to sell your harvest to a dispensary, you're going to have to have some legal relationship with them, and you're going to be taxed on the profits you make. If you want to sell it directly to your patients, you must do so at cost, but you don't have to keep records or pay taxes... I think. I'll reread it tonight.

What's not going to be OK any more is caregivers signing up patients so they can grow a lot of plants on their behalf and then selling that medicine for a profit to retailers.

I wouldn't worry about a caregiver not being able to be compensated fairly. Since they don't tell you how to determine cost here is how I'll do it. My billing rate is $40/hour... tweak that as necessary. Now just keep a journal and record your time in the growroom. 40 x 100 hours equals $4000. So if I came out with a little less than an elbow it should be about right! Of course you can also include the cost of clones/seeds, all supplies, electricity, hell maybe even a pro-rated portion of rent. You can get creative and this isn't really an issue.

So just figure out how much money you should get for your harvest, how much time you'll approx spend working on your grow, and set your billing rate accordingly. Bam! Getting paid just like before!

On another note, when would this bill become law? Would someone with a finished product ready in about 3-4 weeks still be able to sell to a dispensary?

[Vancefish]

it also says two or more caregivers can't join together to grow.

So, If someone is a caregiver for 5 people, and their spouse is a patient & wants to grow, is this not allowed? Does one of the pair lose patients?

What if we were both caregivers in the same house? Which patients get kicked to the street?

this bill looks like it's set up to set people up. Wait till you see what happens to the price of weed now. Holy shit.

There are about to be 20,000 more people at the grow store.

I agree Cocobo, The entire bill is set up with loopholes to bust people, growers and dispensaries. They cut out a couple things we (most of us) didn't like, but that doesn't make whats left any better!

I wanted to add, the most I can fit in the space I plan (or had planned) to grow in, is 12 plants. I can veg 12, and flower 12. Meaning I'm limited to four people including myself. I'd been thinking about finding a fifth person. However that person would just allow me to keep six bonsai moms and vary what I grew.

That person would also cut back even further, how much profit I might make. Because that person would ALSO get an entire plants outcome for free, Yet no plants were ever flowered or grown to harvest to have this persons 6 plants on hand.

I want to know how constitutional it is for them, to regulate me (who'd planned to help all involved) into failure?

On another note, when would this bill become law? Would someone with a finished product ready in about 3-4 weeks still be able to sell to a dispensary?

NO! Unless you are a registered grower or a dispensary, they CAN NOT buy from you!! This is why I'm angry about this! They are limited to buying only 30% from outside their own grows, and can ONLY buy from other government registered and licensed grows.

[palerider7777]

it also says two or more caregivers can't join together to grow.

So, If someone is a caregiver for 5 people, and their spouse is a patient & wants to grow, is this not allowed? Does one of the pair lose patients?

What if we were both caregivers in the same house? Which patients get kicked to the street?

this bill looks like it's set up to set people up. Wait till you see what happens to the price of weed now. Holy shit.

There are about to be 20,000 more people at the grow store.

yup with this bill thats 20,000 more people the leo and courts can now fuck with on top of everything else.

lets also not forget how this will fuck disabled people on ssi/ssd.that might try to turn a profit on the extras they had.

also with 2 oz usable at any givin time.they say the leo don't like this bill,,yea ok i bet they are jumping with joy.i bet they have a few people they have been watching that they just can't wait to pounce on when this goes in effect.

[palerider7777]

the way i see it this will drive alot of growers back underground.also this will force the rest that believe in the gov so much to protect them into the open.sounds like a perfect setup..

[lampost]

Hmmm...

So this will go into effect immediately? Didn't we have a bit of time on the last one?

[Vancefish]

Hmmm...

So this will go into effect immediately? Didn't we have a bit of time on the last one?

I think it just passed the House, but they will still have another vote in the senate.

THAT is my only hope at this point. Maybe they will change this, before whatever we get becomes law.:thumbsup:

[HighPopalorum]

It hasn't passed. It's been introduced and referred to committee. The first committee was the Judiciary committee, which it cleared on Monday. It goes to Appropriations next. After that it may go to the floor to be voted on, or maybe it will sink into nothingness, or maybe it will be moved to another committee. Long story short is the bill is still alive and it's still amendable. Eventually, after the committees are done with it, it might go before the House for a vote. After that, the Senate would need to vote on it as well. None of this will happen unless legislators push it.

I'm not the most astute legislative observer, but I think there's some danger of the next committee amending the bill to tax MMJ sales. Most of them are also on the budget committee. This session has been very tax heavy. That would be disastrous.

[copobo]

good god just let this fucker die a quiet death

otherwise, it's going to get litigated into nothingness, after a bunch of people lose their investments and their employees lose jobs, and the price of herb for patients goes through the roof.

our legislators loath us. we need to keep being the biggest thorn

[palerider7777]

good god just let this fucker die a quiet death

otherwise, it's going to get litigated into nothingness, after a bunch of people lose their investments and their employees lose jobs, and the price of herb for patients goes through the roof.

our legislators loath us. we need to keep being the biggest thorn

yup loath to the highest order they do.

[Vancefish]

It hasn't passed. It's been introduced and referred to committee. The first committee was the Judiciary committee, which it cleared on Monday. It goes to Appropriations next. After that it may go to the floor to be voted on, or maybe it will sink into nothingness, or maybe it will be moved to another committee. Long story short is the bill is still alive and it's still amendable. Eventually, after the committees are done with it, it might go before the House for a vote. After that, the Senate would need to vote on it as well. None of this will happen unless legislators push it.

I'm not the most astute legislative observer, but I think there's some danger of the next committee amending the bill to tax MMJ sales. Most of them are also on the budget committee. This session has been very tax heavy. That would be disastrous.

Thank you for the exact step it's in. That makes me feel a little better. At least there's time for it to change.:thumbsup:

I do not think that HB10-1284, should stop caregivers with 5 or fewer patients from selling to a dispensary! I also don't think the dispensary should be barred from buying from ANY small grower, who happens to grow a little extra. Is there even a legal method of ridding yourself of extra meds? You can't throw it away(a kid, or unlicensed person might find it), by law you can't sell it(if this passes).

The dispensary is the answer. Allow the dispensary owners to buy meds, when issues arise with a grow, from anyone. This increases variety. Plus gives the home growing patient a way to rid themselves of extras legally, AND help other patients by providing those extras. I think the dispensary owners know how to see if the buds you bring in are worth selling, without the states input!

I think this is infringing on small business. I'm not a huge grow operation and don't ever plan to be! I see no reason why this should be allowed to directly target me and my "patients". Yet still give plenty of leeway to the huge companies who WANT to enter this market.

I'm also against adding more taxes to this, FOR the state. The state already plans to let each city tax it as THEY see fit. However if they keep adding more and more state tax. It'll just make it more difficult, and more expensive for the patient. I'm really OK with the cities taxing it and doing with it, whatever they need. Thus penalizing cities who ban dispensaries, through not collecting that tax.:thumbsup:

They also have NO delivery written into this bill. It can only be sold on said premises, as the license was issued. So, immobile patients will be screwed! (unless they find a caregiver who's willing to get screwed.)