hb10-1284 set to be voted on tomorrow

[palerider7777]

Yeah.. so what would be wrong with a law that says dispensaries must have their medicine tested by a lab for THC content and certified free of pests and mold? What would be wrong with the Division of Weights and measures coming in and checking their scales for honesty, as they do in every other business that sells by weight? All regulation has costs and benefits; we should concentrate on choosing the right regulations rather than refuse to "give them an inch." In my opinion, the right regulations are those that benefit the consumer with more knowledge, protect the consumer from poisons and impurities, and prevent a retailer from misrepresenting his product or lying to his customers.

and all these new regulations will help lower prices how? most expect all these meds to be free and whine and moan about it enough already.

[copobo]

Yeah.. so what would be wrong with a law that says dispensaries must have their medicine tested by a lab for THC content and certified free of pests and mold? What would be wrong with the Division of Weights and measures coming in and checking their scales for honesty, as they do in every other business that sells by weight? All regulation has costs and benefits; we should concentrate on choosing the right regulations rather than refuse to "give them an inch." In my opinion, the right regulations are those that benefit the consumer with more knowledge, protect the consumer from poisons and impurities, and prevent a retailer from misrepresenting his product or lying to his customers.

We are already headed this way without government getting involved in quality. As supply increases, the consumer will look for herb certified by reputable labs. Most dispensaries know what they are looking for when they buy from vendors, and those that don't won't be around long.

Check the scales. sure. why not.

[HighPopalorum]

Is there any level of regulation you'd favor, Palerider? What about the simple provision in 1284 that makes it illegal for a dispensary to lie to a customer? Good idea, bad idea, what?

[palerider7777]

Is there any level of regulation you'd favor, Palerider? What about the simple provision in 1284 that makes it illegal for a dispensary to lie to a customer? Good idea, bad idea, what?

without the liberal sarcasim,i'll go on to say if that is in the bill i would not agree to it being a good thing.plz explain in what context the lie would be?

as im sure you are well aware and also since you seem to insist on comparing mmj law with other in place laws.you then know that there are already laws in place for false advertising.if thats the route you were trying to take this?

also without any"ANY"laws in place in the nation on a person lying.the context of the ?? was in the field of false advertising am i correct?

i can't help to think you are just trying to be clever here.but either way im sure no matter what my answer would be you would not agree....

but im sure the way you asked the ? and the way you talk to people on here in that look down you're nose kindda way.you were implying that im some crazy loon that is below anything that could make sense to you.

i did'nt know mmj law was a venue to create whole new laws to control people?

[ColoradoCareMMJ]

Yeah.. so what would be wrong with a law that says dispensaries must have their medicine tested by a lab for THC content and certified free of pests and mold?

That service isnt cheap by far. They charge $85 per sample, per test. I sometimes have anywhere between 5-15 new strains a week, sometimes more. Thats thousands of dollars thats going to have to be recouped on top of additional overhead costs. Most my patients know my medicine, and know the quality so I really dont hear many asking about testing our medicine.

[HighPopalorum]

plz explain in what context the lie would be?

Well, the provision is simple. It just outlaws misrepresentation and other unfair business practices. If you need me to name examples, here's some unfair business practices as they apply to commercial marijuana: passing off one medicine as another, causing confusion as to the source of a medicine, claiming medicine to have benefits it does not (a disgusting and common practice, lying to the sick), misrepresenting the quality or grade of medicine, disparaging the goods or services of other vendors, or anything else that creates confusion or misunderstanding with the intention of selling a product.

[ColoradoCareMMJ]

Well, the provision is simple. It just outlaws misrepresentation and other unfair business practices. If you need me to name examples, here's some unfair business practices as they apply to commercial marijuana: passing off one medicine as another, causing confusion as to the source of a medicine, claiming medicine to have benefits it does not (a disgusting and common practice, lying to the sick), misrepresenting the quality or grade of medicine, disparaging the goods or services of other vendors, or anything else that creates confusion or misunderstanding with the intention of selling a product.

HAHAHAH really!?!? How is a law going to stop people from renaming product? Certain strains may help people while they do not help others. That is really no misrepresentation. Like they say different strains - different brains...and what may be good strain to one may not be to another, whats the other saying... "another man's trash is another man's treasure" ? I have had herb that I extremely did not care for, and I had patients tell me it was some of the best medicine they have ever tried.

I honestly think patients are the best regulation. They will ultimately decide who stays and who goes.:jointsmile:

[HighPopalorum]

That service isnt cheap by far. They charge $85 per sample, per test. I sometimes have anywhere between 5-15 new strains a week, sometimes more. Thats thousands of dollars thats going to have to be recouped on top of additional overhead costs. Most my patients know my medicine, and know the quality so I really dont hear many asking about testing our medicine.

If you were selling hay, it would have to be certified pest-free. Amazing how those hay farmers manage to stay in business, eh? Snark aside, point taken. Potency is not something I care that much about in terms of regulation; other things, like pests and mold and chemical residue, have no place in medicine. Rather than have every new jar assayed (adding to the cost), maybe it would be enough to have regular, unannounced inspections for both sanitary conditions and also to test the medicine for impurities and poisons. There's probably other less-intrusive ways to check compliance as well that might be friendlier to the bottom line and still protect consumers.

[HighPopalorum]

How is a law going to stop people from renaming product?

Talk to a lawyer, but I don't see why renaming would be a problem, so long as it doesn't misrepresent the product. Feel free to rename a pack of local seeds "Denver Superbomb" but please don't call it "Sensi Seeds Jack Flash #5 (Feminized)" and charge a patient $200 unless it really is the goods.

Misrepresentation is broader, though: for example, under this regulation you might no longer be able to legally claim medicine was organic simply because it's dirt grown, or claim medicine was grown in Breckenridge when it came from Denver. I don't know what the regulations will look like when they come.

EDIT 9AM: In no way am I suggesting CoCaMMJ or his shop does any of these things. I've never been there. This is just a chat.

[ColoradoCareMMJ]

Talk to a lawyer, but I don't see why renaming would be a problem, so long as it doesn't misrepresent the product. Feel free to rename a pack of local seeds "Denver Superbomb" but please don't call it "Sensi Seeds Jack Flash #5 (Feminized)" and charge a patient $200 unless it really is the goods.

Misrepresentation is broader, though: for example, under this regulation you might no longer be able to legally claim medicine was organic simply because it's dirt grown, or claim medicine was grown in Breckenridge when it came from Denver. I don't know what the regulations will look like when they come.

Does it matter where it was grown? Really does it make the slightest difference if it came from a suburb in denver or a cabin in breck???

As to Organic....it is just a happy-word. Just because some is grown organicly does not make it better. I have sampled amazing strains that were not grown in organic fashion.

Dispensaries cannot even sell seeds from most breeders because we cannot import them (CO LAW).

I understand you just want a better experience overall from dispensaries towards patients, and I have no qualms with that. But think of it like a restaurant, the places that provide less than quality meals or service will take a back seat to those that do provide a higher level of quality and service.

If you dont like the way your being treated, tell them, if they dont make it better, don't go back to their shop anymore. If they lose enough patients they will work towards making a positive change in their business model, or they will close doors and look for opportunities elsewhere. Its win/win.

We really dont need governement sticking their dirty finger in our cake mix. There is already enough obstacles to overcome in this downtraught economy, why are you hasseling the one industry that is creating thousands of jobs and millions of dollars in tax revenue...?