Jack Flash is Back!

[travisKR]

I've since stopped posting my reviews here because I can't help but to think whether these places really genuwinly want to know what their REAL customers opinion are or if they would rather read reviews done by people who have external influences (free herb, advertising money, PR etc) that will impair their non-biasness.:

MB, this isn't directed at you, your quote just made me think of it.

I forgot to mention that the people who are KR.com are also REAL customers. We are patients and we medicate for purpose as well as review - and we buy the medicine that is the best from the places that sell it. We've purchased Banner#3, DJ Shorts, Jack Flash, Plum Kush and others. We will continue to do so, including some of our B+ grades as my wife, another real customer, only prefers 2 strains and they both earned that mark and we pay for it.

KR.com is a part of the MMJ community, the larger Metro community in general, and we put energy and money right back into it every single day.

[Denvertoad]

Travis...

Question for ya..

How do MMJ reviewers procure the product to be reviewed?

I'm thinking that a truly unbiased and honest review would follow the Consumer Reports type of model. Reviewer would not accept gratis product and would purchase unknown to dispensary or grower. Testing would be a combination of subjective and objective. Any comment?

... You posted while I was typing. Thanks for your comments.

[lampost]

Well, I will tell you since no one at KR chimed in. They do come in and tell who they are. And it is not unheard of for them to receive large samples for free. Hell, they gotta get pictures ya know. Some dispensaries obviously don't play the game. And this is where some bias can be introduced. Would you give an A to the guy who threw you a gram and a B to the guy who threw you an ounce?! Might be hard... You gotta make that guy feel appreciated for kicking you an ounce!

I thought about doing a dispensary review site, but I couldn't reconcile how to pull in revenue without being biased. The ideas I came up with were changing the entire direction of the site, so I scrapped it.

Now this thread is a great example of why I don't read strain reviews. I've gotten 3 different Jack Flashs at ReLeaf alone!! How can you say "Jack Flash is an A from ReLeaf", when there've been 3 different JF's there?! Because the grower is just as important as the strain!

And I didn't see what this strain got. I heard it was an A. That is just laughable that a ubiquitious strain like JF, grown in hydro, would beat out a purple OG cut (ah... that nobody else even HAS), grown in soil, by a damn-fine competition level grower. Laughable my friend.

Its hard not to let bias in, but I've seen those ads on your page. I don't have time to pick apart your website. I did notice Delta-9 had several A+ strains and I noticed several inflated reviews of stuff I'd personally smoked before.

Is that why you guys keep making new websites, so you can pay the rent on ALL of your apartments/houses?

[travisKR]

Travis...

Question for ya..

How do MMJ reviewers procure the product to be reviewed?

I'm thinking that a truly unbiased and honest review would follow the Consumer Reports type of model. Reviewer would not accept gratis product and would purchase unknown to dispensary or grower. Testing would be a combination of subjective and objective. Any comment?

... You posted while I was typing. Thanks for your comments.

denverToad, nice to see you on here too, i'm the same Travis on nationalweedographic as well.

I can't speak for all review sites, but the process worked like this for KR. We only purchased at the beginning, nobody heard of us, we were the first review site in CO, it was unclear what whould happen. Once stores started getting customers and calls asking about strains on our site, the next time we went in they wouldn't let us pay. We let them know that if it sucks it will still get a bad grade, period. Everyone that got a bad grade has accepted it, and many have received, in their minds, bad grades.

So, we discussed the pros and cons. It would be nice to buy eveything undercover, but it's also important to get as many strains from as many places as possible. Can we personally afford to purchase and still meetin our larger mission? The answer then, as it remains right now, is no. We can't afford to operate under that model, so how do we account for potential bias, how can we keep this as close to it's start point as possible? We decided to have multiple people go to different shops to avoid friendship scenarios as best as possible. We perform smell tests right away, but we then stagger and sort review samples across the calendar to avoid the reviewer thinking of the budtender hype that was given, most often using new reviewers altogether that never even saw that store or know where it came from.

I think you raise very valid points, DT, and I hope that things work out well enough so that we have the ability to purchase everything we review. However, under the current circumstances I think we've gone way beyond what any other site is doing (I know we have in fact) and that the safeguards we have in place do add value. To the honest point, we are honest, that's a definite. Buying or accepting plays to bias I concur, but what affects the body how is written meticulously and we will not post a review that doesn' have multiple people and we read the reviewer's notes to ensure they were taken with time intervals and our process was followed.

As an example of us doing our very best, we have chosen not to review any more of CCF's strains after the UrklexOG. We've heard from owners or growers before regarding the grade or review but this was the first attack on our characters and our veracity. They lied about grades we had previously posted and they refused to interact off the forum. I've spoken with Bryan's mother at CCF, I've left messages fro Bryan to call me, and I've emailed Bryan as a business owner explaining that I'd like to remove emotion and meet him in person so we can simply get to know each other better as human beings. He has refused to even respond. In light of the forum exchanges and the behavior display we felt there was toomuch of a chance for bias to play a role, so we have offered to return the samples CCF gave us.

This is a dispensary with a large online presence, good medicine, and broad marketing. It doesn't benefit KR.com to refrain from having them, it's just the right thing to do.

Since you are on NW.com please go in there and start a comment on my wall for how we can improve the use of the KR.com site for you, address any concerns, etc in light of our mission and the above realities. Even with all the negativity spewed by CCF and their ilk, we still listened to them and altered our site to better account for their complaints and desires. We're all ears...and occassionally mouths

[travisKR]

And I didn't see what this strain got. I heard it was an A. That is just laughable that a ubiquitious strain like JF, grown in hydro, would beat out a purple OG cut (ah... that nobody else even HAS), grown in soil, by a damn-fine competition level grower. Laughable my friend.

Its hard not to let bias in, but I've seen those ads on your page. I don't have time to pick apart your website. I did notice Delta-9 had several A+ strains and I noticed several inflated reviews of stuff I'd personally smoked before.

Is that why you guys keep making new websites, so you can pay the rent on ALL of your apartments/houses?

Nobody else has cliff divers, so Casa Bonita is an A+ right, best restaurant out there, one of a kind. C'mon man, that is irrelavent to the grade. If we know that info, we highlight it in the review, see the Quail or Real Lemon. I'm willing to have real discussion about how reviewers and sites can better benefit the MMJ community, but you aren't now and haven't been thus far. Seriously, you talked smack on us for the UrklexOG for posts and posts and then later that day you post "I haven't tried it yet". That, my friend, is laughable.

We've never recieved an OZ from anyone, we've never received more than 2 grams and usually it's only 1.

My name is on this site, my real name, my website addresses, I've left my email for your friends, you have it right up above there, email me and I'll give you my cell number. Pick a place and I'll come have lunch with you.

Where are you? Hiding under a lampshade talking shit....

[lampost]

denverToad, nice to see you on here too, i'm the same Travis on nationalweedographic as well.

I can't speak for all review sites, but the process worked like this for KR. We only purchased at the beginning, nobody heard of us, we were the first review site in CO, it was unclear what whould happen. Once stores started getting customers and calls asking about strains on our site, the next time we went in they wouldn't let us pay. We let them know that if it sucks it will still get a bad grade, period. Everyone that got a bad grade has accepted it, and many have received, in their minds, bad grades.

So, we discussed the pros and cons. It would be nice to buy eveything undercover, but it's also important to get as many strains from as many places as possible. Can we personally afford to purchase and still meetin our larger mission? The answer then, as it remains right now, is no. We can't afford to operate under that model, so how do we account for potential bias, how can we keep this as close to it's start point as possible? We decided to have multiple people go to different shops to avoid friendship scenarios as best as possible. We perform smell tests right away, but we then stagger and sort review samples across the calendar to avoid the reviewer thinking of the budtender hype that was given, most often using new reviewers altogether that never even saw that store or know where it came from.

I think you raise very valid points, DT, and I hope that things work out well enough so that we have the ability to purchase everything we review. However, under the current circumstances I think we've gone way beyond what any other site is doing (I know we have in fact) and that the safeguards we have in place do add value. To the honest point, we are honest, that's a definite. Buying or accepting plays to bias I concur, but what affects the body how is written meticulously and we will not post a review that doesn' have multiple people and we read the reviewer's notes to ensure they were taken with time intervals and our process was followed.

As an example of us doing our very best, we have chosen not to review any more of CCF's strains after the UrklexOG. We've heard from owners or growers before regarding the grade or review but this was the first attack on our characters and our veracity. They lied about grades we had previously posted and they refused to interact off the forum. I've spoken with Bryan's mother at CCF, I've left messages fro Bryan to call me, and I've emailed Bryan as a business owner explaining that I'd like to remove emotion and meet him in person so we can simply get to know each other better as human beings. He has refused to even respond. In light of the forum exchanges and the behavior display we felt there was toomuch of a chance for bias to play a role, so we have offered to return the samples CCF gave us.

This is a dispensary with a large online presence, good medicine, and broad marketing. It doesn't benefit KR.com to refrain from having them, it's just the right thing to do.

Since you are on NW.com please go in there and start a comment on my wall for how we can improve the use of the KR.com site for you, address any concerns, etc in light of our mission and the above realities. Even with all the negativity spewed by CCF and their ilk, we still listened to them and altered our site to better account for their complaints and desires. We're all ears...and occassionally mouths

I really feel the need to step in here and stand up for CCF.

First off Travis, you weren't involved at all in the CCF thread where this all went down.... it was Tim. So, you must've heard all of this second-hand... where's Tim...

Bryan seems like a super chill guy and his posts would indicate that... he wasn't even really involved in the argument, go back and read it. It was Bryan's customers FIERCELY defending his high-quality herb!! I was the one calling out the strain grades and I made the mistakes (honestly). What does that say about CCF, huh? He didn't even have to open his fuckin' mouth man! The customers were the ones who called out your review site, me specifically! So, don't try to pin any of this on CCF.

Tim initially suggested the "challenge" between Banner, Plum Kush, and Purple OG. Bryan never once showed any interest in this. You guys tried to play this off as a way to show that your rating system was non-biased. However, a few of us realized that with you "hand-picking" the competition, that the cards were stacked against Purple OG. Obviously, there's weed out there that's as good or better than Purple OG (although it's hard to find). So you guys were "stacking the deck" with strains you'd had before that you knew could hang with Purple OG. A true test of your would've been random selections from the "A" and "A+" categories, no? So why the fuck would CCF want to compete in that? I don't blame him at all...

I say don't exclude CCF on account of what their patients did man! You should be reviewing more of their shit after you found out how passionate some of their customers are, eh? Man, for you guys and all your "law-school" talk your a bunch of jokers...

EDIT: I'm not interested in sharing my personal info on here buddy... just my ideas. The fact that I don't want to share my personal info on the same board where I ask grow questions doesn't make me a pussy. I think your strain reviews are bullshit, that's all. And I'll continue to call out your bullshit all day... 2 gram samples, huh?

[KindReviews]

Oh man this is basically slander towards Bryan/CCF. I really feel the need to step in here and speak the truth and stand up for Bryan.

First off Travis, you weren't involved at all in the CCF thread where this all went down.... it was Tim. So, you must've heard all of this second-hand... where's Tim...

Bryan seems like a super chill guy and his posts would indicate that... he wasn't even really involved in the argument, go back and read it. It was Bryan's customers FIERCELY defending his high-quality herb!! I was the one calling out the strain grades and I made the mistakes (honestly). What does that say about CCF, huh? He didn't even have to open his fuckin' mouth man! The customers were the ones who called out your review site, me specifically! So, don't try to pin any of this on CCF.

Tim initially suggested the "challenge" between Banner, Plum Kush, and Purple OG. Bryan never once showed any interest in this. You guys tried to play this off as a way to show that your rating system was non-biased. However, a few of us realized that with you "hand-picking" the competition, that the cards were stacked against Purple OG. Obviously, there's weed out there that's as good or better than Purple OG (although it's hard to find). So you guys were "stacking the deck" with strains you'd had before that you knew could hang with Purple OG. A true test of your would've been random selections from the "A" and "A+" categories, no? So why the fuck would CCF want to compete in that? I don't blame him at all...

I say don't exclude CCF on account of what their patients did man! You should be reviewing more of their shit after you found out how passionate some of their customers are, eh? Man, for you guys and all your "law-school" talk I thought you'd be a bit more logical...

I'm right here and that lampshade is another lie from you. Bryan said he would put the Urkel Og up against the strains reviewed. That was his idea!!

I would love to take any of those strains mentioned and put them next to the urkle og and see what patients pick!!!!!!!!!!:jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:

We set up an unbiased review board of people we didn't even know and you guys backed out and said you were just going to throw your own. What is that about?

Im actually looking to put on a Connoisseur's Cannabis Cup with a few other growers and patients from colorado. Ive been involved with too many shady sponsored cannabis competitions and if im going to enter in one I will only do so if I KNOW that there is no hidden interests and ive found the only way to do that is host your own....:jointsmile::jointsmile:

[lampost]

I'm right here and that lampshade is another lie from you. Bryan said he would put the Urkel Og up against the strains reviewed.




We set up an unbiased review board of people we didn't even know and you guys backed out and said you were just going to throw your own. What is that about?

Damn, you must've had that thread memorized! I didn't remember him showing any interest... was just going to go back and check and you beat me to it! I'm not afraid to admit when I'm wrong.

Oh well, the fact still stands that your strain reviews are definitely biased, despite all your efforts to say otherwise. And I think they're bullshit! 2 grams, huh? Is that a new policy!?!

When you said CCH in that last thread was that a little slip? They looked like one of your biggest backers last time I checked...

I'm not hiding under anything buddy. I'll stay with you. However, I'm not going to give out my contact info on here as I also post growing questions on here.

EDIT: My bad. It wasn't a lie it was a mistake.

[travisKR]

EDIT: I'm not interested in sharing my personal info on here buddy... just my ideas. The fact that I don't want to share my personal info on the same board where I ask grow questions doesn't make me a pussy. I think your strain reviews are bullshit, that's all. And I'll continue to call out your bullshit all day... 2 gram samples, huh?

Have you met me, have you met anyone from KR.com in person? This is your reality as you created it, negativity. You don't have to post info here, I gave you my info so you can contact me. I'm not hiding what I do or why I do it, or even how I do it - and yet you still continue to lie (one is a mistake, but two, three...) as we have NEVER received more than a 2 gram sample for review, NEVER.

KR.com's biases or potential bias have been open discussion. I've opened our doors, I've asked for feedback, I've made changes based upon that feedback. Your biases on the other hand are covered, under smoke, non-negotiable. So is your identity and potential concomitant angles. Spade.

[ColoradoCareMMJ]

We set up an unbiased review board of people we didn't even know and you guys backed out and said you were just going to throw your own. What is that about?

I never boasted the urkle og. The fact is i got a stable of strains that are as good or better. I told you all that I would love to stick my urkle og in a jar next to the strains you all quoted as being better (afgooey, blue dream, nycd, hong kong, if my memory serves correct). Now its the urkle og against the two best strains you can find?? Why would I bother to participate when your picking the judges and its already beyond obvious you have a vendetta agianst our shop??