Jack Flash is Back!

[lampost]

Why would someone want to compete when they are competing within the very framework they doubted?

That's too bad for patients who use your site that you're not going to be reviewing CCF strains anymore...

lampost Reviewed by lampost on 03-29-2010. Jack Flash is Back! Posting this here before it's released to the general public. Our legendary Jack Flash is in and for only $50 an 1/8th. It's the best harvest yet. See the attached pic. Rating: 5

[ColoradoCareMMJ]

As an example of us doing our very best, we have chosen not to review any more of CCF's strains after the UrklexOG. We've heard from owners or growers before regarding the grade or review but this was the first attack on our characters and our veracity. They lied about grades we had previously posted and they refused to interact off the forum. I've spoken with Bryan's mother at CCF, I've left messages fro Bryan to call me, and I've emailed Bryan as a business owner explaining that I'd like to remove emotion and meet him in person so we can simply get to know each other better as human beings. He has refused to even respond. In light of the forum exchanges and the behavior display we felt there was toomuch of a chance for bias to play a role, so we have offered to return the samples CCF gave us.

This is a dispensary with a large online presence, good medicine, and broad marketing. It doesn't benefit KR.com to refrain from having them, it's just the right thing to do.

Since you are on NW.com please go in there and start a comment on my wall for how we can improve the use of the KR.com site for you, address any concerns, etc in light of our mission and the above realities. Even with all the negativity spewed by CCF and their ilk, we still listened to them and altered our site to better account for their complaints and desires. We're all ears...and occassionally mouths

You need to get your facts straight. For you to insult my shop like this is beyond unprofessional, its completly childish and it truly speaks to the character of kind reviews. I haven't contacted you because I have been extremely busy and to be honest I really have had nothing to say until now. I feel completly betrayed and attacked when I have done nothing more than give your representives free medicine. I knew from the beginning this would be trouble, I should have listened more intuitively to my conscious.

[KindReviews]

Why would someone want to compete when they are competing within the very framework they doubted?

That's too bad for patients who use your site that you're not going to be reviewing CCF strains anymore...
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Mar-29-2010, 16:08
lampost
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Why would someone want to compete when they are competing within the very framework they doubted?

That's too bad for patients who use your site that you're not going to be reviewing CCF strains anymore...

Sounds like you guys are sincerely trying to give honest reviews though, so more power to you. I guess I have been pretty negative man... good point. I've said my peace and I'll chill.

I was just about to thank you for the posting that you've been pretty negative and that it seems that we are trying to be honest. Why the edit?

[lampost]

I'm right here and that lampshade is another lie from you. Bryan said he would put the Urkel Og up against the strains reviewed. That was his idea!!




We set up an unbiased review board of people we didn't even know and you guys backed out and said you were just going to throw your own. What is that about?

Man, I am WAY to quick to admit that I'm wrong. Here's the original post and quote from CCF:

Originally Posted by KindReviews

An A- for the Urkel-OG says this definitively, KR.com thinks this is above
average in a group of superstars, it stands on its own as an amazing strain
and should be acquired whenever possible. But it also says this, out of our
multi-reviewer team, reviewing on multiple occasions and under differing
circumstances we feel the Afgooey (Delta 9), the Blue Dream (CCH), the Hong
Kong, and the Skunk #1 (HC) all had more consistently strong effects than
did the Urkel-OG. Is that bad? No. Is it true? Yes - for us. We've
reviewed them all this exact same way. We are all in our 30s, we've all
smoked for 15+ years daily, some of us grow, we have different reasons for
getting our cards. If one strain makes all of us say A and another has one
A+, A, A-, A-, B, B it's getting an A- or B+ (and would probably be
re-reviewed just on that question, A- or B+).

Bryan/CCF response:

I would love to take any of those strains mentioned and put them next to the urkle og and see what patients pick!!!!!!!!!!

So, I told you KR, he never was up for this challenge. It was basically your concoction. Like I said, we had questions about your rating system and then you go and create this competition where you stack the deck and pick strains that you know can hang with the Urkle OG!! So, I'm gonna have to say that you're the one who is full of shit my friend!

EDIT: KR, I edited that post because I had second thoughts when you just lied to me!

[travisKR]

Actually Bryan, we don't have a vendetta. I reached out to you personally so we could talk for real, not post and post and post. We liked your UrkleOG, we were happy we'd be able to offer your "stable" to our KR.com readers. I'm still open to it - lamp has posted real lies about us so that's is WAY not cool. You've only argued and disagreed, nothing that can't be overcome in my opinion. The only issue is when I email and call and leave my cell number for adult conversation about how everybody in the MMJ community can avoid the negativity that was fostered in this forum, by us (both KR and CCF) you balked.

The two strains that got suggested were two that we know we could get, grown by same grower and from the same shop that we reviewed previously. The ego is small over here, Bryan, I promise you. If KR.com's curve is the exact opposite of the 3 largest competitions on earth I won't be mad or hurt. They are our opinions, just like every review and just like yours. We take cross sections to increase validity and sample opinions to provide a breadth of information for our readers. We think that's a good thing. So if you still want to do a cup we are in, and not to prove ourselves, there is nothing to prove, our opinion won't change. We will do it because it will be fun, and should get good people together to have a good time.

[KindReviews]

Too much

[travisKR]

You need to get your facts straight. For you to insult my shop like this is beyond unprofessional, its completly childish and it truly speaks to the character of kind reviews. I haven't contacted you because I have been extremely busy and to be honest I really have had nothing to say until now. I feel completly betrayed and attacked when I have done nothing more than give your representives free medicine. I knew from the beginning this would be trouble, I should have listened more intuitively to my conscious.

We reviewed your strain, gave it a grade we believed in and would stand behind, and explained what we thought about it. We even opend the kimono and explained our bell curve, our policies and rationale (stuff many other sites will no doubt start incorporating into their models) and opened dialogue. This forum found you, FarmerSteve and Lampost specifically talking shit on KR.com, our motives, and our veracity. That was the foundation of everything since. Ironic that you feel attacked and betrayed. That's why I called you twice, and emailed you - to discuss that feeling and get back to a human level. Here is the exact email: 3/26/10

"Hey Brian,

I just talked with your mom on the phone, very nice lady. We havenâ??t met yet, I believe you met my brother and one or two of my staff. I just wanted an opportunity to chat on the phone or in person because I recently read some of the forums and I must say I was quite surprised at the overall interaction. I think that maybe the two of us can communicate at a little higher/meaningful level, as the last thing I will let happen is to lose relationships with people inside of the MMJ movement or scene or what have you. As a patient and an attorney, people are all that matter, and since you belong to that group I want to ensure positive relationships. Are you open?

Best,
Travis
KR.com"

I don't know what else I could have done, Brian. I really wanted, and still want, to meet with you personally one on one. I like people, almost all of them and I find it hard to believe that we couldn't find common ground and assist the MMJ community. I just coudn't allow people to question our veracity. We've explained our motives and gone over and over our advertisers, they are in plain sight and so are all of the grades those shops have received. It isn't a secret.

[lampost]

Actually Bryan, we don't have a vendetta. I reached out to you personally so we could talk for real, not post and post and post. We liked your UrkleOG, we were happy we'd be able to offer your "stable" to our KR.com readers. I'm still open to it - lamp has posted real lies about us so that's is WAY not cool. You've only argued and disagreed, nothing that can't be overcome in my opinion. The only issue is when I email and call and leave my cell number for adult conversation about how everybody in the MMJ community can avoid the negativity that was fostered in this forum, by us (both KR and CCF) you balked.

The two strains that got suggested were two that we know we could get, grown by same grower and from the same shop that we reviewed previously. The ego is small over here, Bryan, I promise you. If KR.com's curve is the exact opposite of the 3 largest competitions on earth I won't be mad or hurt. They are our opinions, just like every review and just like yours. We take cross sections to increase validity and sample opinions to provide a breadth of information for our readers. We think that's a good thing. So if you still want to do a cup we are in, and not to prove ourselves, there is nothing to prove, our opinion won't change. We will do it because it will be fun, and should get good people together to have a good time.

As far as the lies from me, read the post right above yours :thumbsup:

You KNOW you can get Banner?!? It sells out in an hour! They tell patients to just keep calling back if they want it... maybe they'll get lucky. People wait in line before the dispensary opens to get Banner. There's people on here who've been trying to get Banner for MONTHS and cannot... I'm not even going to raise any more questions about how you get Banner so easily!

I'm done in this thread.

[travisKR]

As far as the lies from me, read the post right above yours :thumbsup:

You KNOW you can get Banner?!? It sells out in an hour! They tell patients to just keep calling back if they want it... maybe they'll get lucky. People wait in line before the dispensary opens to get Banner. There's people on here who've been trying to get Banner for MONTHS and cannot... I'm not even going to raise any more questions about how you get Banner so easily!

I'm done in this thread.

We called and Jason was available, we asked him if he'd have Banner available if such and such could get orchestrated. He said, certainly. WAY CRAZY.

[ColoradoCareMMJ]

We reviewed your strain, gave it a grade we believed in and would stand behind, and explained what we thought about it. We even opend the kimono and explained our bell curve, our policies and rationale (stuff many other sites will no doubt start incorporating into their models) and opened dialogue. This forum found you, FarmerSteve and Lampost specifically talking shit on KR.com, our motives, and our veracity. That was the foundation of everything since. Ironic that you feel attacked and betrayed. That's why I called you twice, and emailed you - to discuss that feeling and get back to a human level. Here is the exact email: 3/26/10

I don't know what else I could have done, Brian. I really wanted, and still want, to meet with you personally one on one. I like people, almost all of them and I find it hard to believe that we couldn't find common ground and assist the MMJ community. I just coudn't allow people to question our veracity. We've explained our motives and gone over and over our advertisers, they are in plain sight and so are all of the grades those shops have received. It isn't a secret.

Anything you need to say to me can be sent in an email or more preferably posted online for everyone to read.