12 hour flight from SF...as i mentioned this is my second trip here and it has helped so much with the pain and overall function....so i would say never give up hope my friend, it may not be the cure we are all looking for but it beats the hell out of waiting for the bullshit politics and religious zealots who think people should suffer than use advances in medical science because the cells come from a terminated pregnancy....just a bunch of fuckin hypocrits! btw...i'm T-12 incomplete and growing my own meds has literally saved my life! :smokin: so do what you have to and screw the folks who don't agree with your choice! its not their life but they love to tell you how to live yours:wtf: