If Growers were licensed...what then?

[redtails]

As long as it's been medicinally "legal" there've been dispensaries...

[ColoradoCareMMJ]

It sure would make it easier for dispensaries so were not having to go through and deal with all of the paperwork associated with caregivers, change of caregiver, cancellation of caregiver. Its really beyond ridiculous.....

[ColoradoCareMMJ]

until mj is removed as a schedule I drug, the state legitimization is useless.

If the DEA wants to kick in your door, they will. And going legit is what's gotten at least 2 labs busted.

Don't stand up and have your grow counted, unless you like more excitement than most...

Actually what got them in trouble was the fact they were already operating and testing samples prior to applying for a liscense from the DEA.

[colagal]

The last time I read the house bill, I believe the language was that anyone can grow, but you need to be contracted by a dispensary. If you're under contract, you can serve that dispensary and one other with the remaining 25%. Turning this on it's head, any grower could simply stockpile to reach a level where they produce and sell what the market demands. If you had 100 lbs of the worst outdoor bud you could grow, that enables you to sell up to 25 lbs of anything else. Doesn't make sense.

Do you think that your (all dispensaries for that matter) vendors or growers will voluntarily want to expose themselves through having to obtain dispensary contracts and growers licenses so as to be "legitimate" and distinguish themselves from cartels? I think many growers, even the ones who have enough patients to justify their grow will, like Senorx says, stay hidden if they are smart. So, if many growers do decide to remain anonymous but still want to do business with you, will you be reluctant to do business with them?

[RockwellHG]

This quote from the article is interesting to me:

Geoff Blue, a state deputy attorney general, was equally upset at the bill, though for different reasons.

"The dispensary model will be abused, and people will be able to access marijuana through the dispensary model who should not be able to access it," he said.

:wtf:

This seems to be a common justification as to why there needs to be tighter regulations and new laws. Sure the current system gets abused some, but what is the net negative impact of that abuse? Do they think that tighter regs will lead to less abuse of the laws? lol - sounds like they just want more potential gotchas in the system for us to trip on.

[TheReleafCenter]

Do you think that your (all dispensaries for that matter) vendors or growers will voluntarily want to expose themselves through having to obtain dispensary contracts and growers licenses so as to be "legitimate" and distinguish themselves from cartels? I think many growers, even the ones who have enough patients to justify their grow will, like Senorx says, stay hidden if they are smart. So, if many growers do decide to remain anonymous but still want to do business with you, will you be reluctant to do business with them?

No, I definitely think there will be people who would rather stay in the shadows. But, let's take what the DEA says on face value; they're only going after grows that aren't in clear and unambiguous compliance with the state constitution. The state passes 1284 as a nod to the Feds, basically saying "We'll make it harder to grow here, you can prosecute everyone who doesn't want to comply." The Feds get to justify keeping their bloated budget because the bill drives more growers underground. The state gets to tout that they're protecting legal Colorado grows from the Feds. Win-win.

Growers who think they can "stay hidden" are probably kidding themselves. If 1284 passes, they know who is registered and who isn't. A lot of electric bills haven't picked up the attention they usually would because it's a pain for any agency to go after a grow in the status quo. On a state and federal level, agents have come out and said they have active investigations going on all over the place. Even the attempted busts of grows that are in compliance help them get more information on what to look for on the next raid.

And if the bill passes, we will only work with registered grows. We're built this business by 10 gallon buckets of blood, sweat and tears at a time. We've been in compliance with things that haven't even passed. It's for our, and our patients, sake that we operate legally. Even if what is legal happens to suck terribly.

@Rockwell: The biggest issue that keeps coming up on a societal level seems to be teenagers gaming the system and redistributing their meds. Parents have huge issues with a perceived ease of access that their kids have to marijuana. The recent study about marijuana leading to increased psychosis amongst teens don't help. They think that regulation will intimidate kids, hence fewer issues. I wouldn't want to go in front of some state panel if I was 18 to justify my card when the kid two desks over in homeroom has the bomb already. Think about it like a fake ID, though; everyone doesn't need one, just the one going into the liquor store.

And what we should all be talking about? When Geoff said that they will be putting up a ballot initiative to challenge the dispensary model altogether. Bad news.

@ColoradoCareMMJ: And Full Spectrum is still up and running. Just got some G13 and Grapefruit (over 8% CBD's!!!) tested the other day.

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

well first off it's supposed to be sealed and no one can access our records.having to be licensed would open us up for all to see.ever heard of public records? to have a licence means your a biz doing biz which would then open you up to the irs "irs= FED" GET IT? so even if you wanted to do this legit the fed will know where every grow is at not just the shops.now this would'nt be a prob if the fed did'nt have such a hard on for mmj.i see this as a back door way to get mmj info on everyone.

ps just think of the fun thiefs would have on grow rooms yea thats using our heads.i guess some will just never wake up.wow

po box my friend i ran two biz with a po box. average joes couldnt access without some sort of knowledge.

meded so you can mededicate to mededicate

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

until mj is removed as a schedule I drug, the state legitimization is useless.

If the DEA wants to kick in your door, they will. And going legit is what's gotten at least 2 labs busted.

Don't stand up and have your grow counted, unless you like more excitement than most...

to my understanding the AMA has downgraded the class of mj and now claims medicinal use. DEA will not comply...because besically thats all they have to do in life...arrest mj people. prisons full of people like you and i. well at least they get paid more that some sort of solace, thiefs

meded so you can mededicate to mededitate

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

This quote from the article is interesting to me:

Geoff Blue, a state deputy attorney general, was equally upset at the bill, though for different reasons.

"The dispensary model will be abused, and people will be able to access marijuana through the dispensary model who should not be able to access it," he said.

:wtf:

This seems to be a common justification as to why there needs to be tighter regulations and new laws. Sure the current system gets abused some, but what is the net negative impact of that abuse? Do they think that tighter regs will lead to less abuse of the laws? lol - sounds like they just want more potential gotchas in the system for us to trip on.

this led to the END of the street market, now they want to bring it back. clearly , it was more profitable when they started the brand new jail project in downtown to arrest mj people. now it would appear they can no longer justify the cost of their finely built waste of tax payer money and bond issues. so now they want to untame the beast. let us make them suffer. "sorry deary no trip to italy this year those wretched stoners took all of our money" aaaawwww bleedin heart traitors...piss off mate.

meded so you can mededicate to mededitate

[HighPopalorum]

Good post by ReleafCenter. It's interesting to get a dispensary's perspective on these regulations. I agree that it will not be possible for growers to "stay in the shadows" if they want to sell to dispensaries; that's one of he things the bill set out to address. Although I live in a different part of the state, I appreciate your dispensary's policy of only buying from legal growers; to me, it's a selling point.