Now Newsweek Hyping Iraqi Democracy and Success

[Islandborn]

The Associated Press: Iraq election head says turnout at 55-60 percent

Really? When Saddam was captured it was members of his "tribe" that turned him in?

How Saddam Hussein was captured SADDAM HUSSEIN

The last people anyone should take middle eatern tribal information from are white liberals in the states. Wanna know what out weighs these tribal feuds....THEIR CHILDRENS FUTURE. Haters.

[Islandborn]

California. And back on topic, people who believe democracy is going to be a major movement in Iraq, don't understand tribal cultures. And Iraq is a tribal culture with two religious sects. Sunni and Shia. Tribal and religious loyalty is greater then national loyalty. :thumbsup:

Why is it that you believe these humble peoples cant mentally get passed their tribal heritage for a greater & common good? That mentality speaks pretty loudly. The barely visible democracy in Iraq wont look anything like what we have here or anywhere else for that matter, but it sure is better than a murderous dicatator who mocked and punked the UN for 20 years, killing MILLIONS of his own peoples and "tribe"......used Sarin gas on the Kurds in the North, raped hundreds of thousands of women in Kuwait, and threw people off tall buildings for execution. If i wouldnt get in trouble Id post videos taken by the republican gaurd of their exploits.

[Islandborn]

And now the obsolete New York Times starts pumping the success going on in Iraq LOL....here is lefty Thomas Freidman

Op-Ed Columnist - Itâ??s Up to Iraqis Now. Good Luck. - NYTimes.com

And here is the same guy 2 years ago writing on Iraq

Time For Plan B - New York Times

I would love to be a fly on the wall when Bush reads the Times this morningimp:

[gypski]

Why is it that you believe these humble peoples cant mentally get passed their tribal heritage for a greater & common good? That mentality speaks pretty loudly. The barely visible democracy in Iraq wont look anything like what we have here or anywhere else for that matter, but it sure is better than a murderous dicatator who mocked and punked the UN for 20 years, killing MILLIONS of his own peoples and "tribe"......used Sarin gas on the Kurds in the North, raped hundreds of thousands of women in Kuwait, and threw people off tall buildings for execution. If i wouldnt get in trouble Id post videos taken by the republican gaurd of their exploits.

Any thing Western Culture has touched with indigenous peoples its fucked up. Tribal people like it just the way it is, or they wouldn't need to be forced to change. And, it was the Iroquois Confederation that really gave the founders something to base the foundation of our present system upon. Read the true history of the founding. The Founders emulated a part of what they saw as a successful tribal governmental system representing all the different tribes in the confederation in the formation of the separate branches of our government and the independent states. :jointsmile:

[gypski]

And now the obsolete New York Times starts pumping the success going on in Iraq LOL....here is lefty Thomas Freidman

Op-Ed Columnist - Itâ??s Up to Iraqis Now. Good Luck. - NYTimes.com

And here is the same guy 2 years ago writing on Iraq

Time For Plan B - New York Times

I would love to be a fly on the wall when Bush reads the Times this morningimp:

A differing opinion. :jointsmile:

American elites abandon their faux regret over Iraq - Glenn Greenwald - Salon.com

[Islandborn]

sweet....one leftist publication against another debating the success of Iraq and wether they are big enough to admit it. My point exactly.imp:

But hey....atleast the Iraqi success will be one of Obama's greatest achievements lmao. good for him

[gypski]

Right wingers are going the way of the dinosaurs. The aren't for true freedom, but their own version of nanny freedom. Same for the far left nannies. Like we can fix the world's problems when we can't even get ours straight. The old adage applies here....Clean up your own house first.

[Islandborn]

Good riddance.....I resent both trying to tell grownups how to live their life...Ill do whatever I want regardless...we are gonna reach a tipping point soon I hope.

However, we as a people should be very weary of whatever will arise next, with the right looking to pick up 60 or so seats all around. The extremes from both "sides" need to be exposed first, exploited, and then destroyed and the left overs will be forced to form their own parties which NOBODY will vote for.

Getting rid of this pathetic PC nation we live in would also help.....there are way to many sniffling pussies in America and NEVER will their thirst for a "fair" world be satisfied.....not keeping score in t-ball creates whiny bitches for kids who cant handle people doing better than them when they get to the actual real world....creating all these broke welfare programs does NOTHING but keep people in the sewer...if it helped AT ALL....it would have atleast made a dent...which it hasnt. People HAVE TO HELP THEMSELVES. Story over

[gypski]

Well, this democracy can't even get the votes counted in a timely manner. Right now al Maliki is in the saddle, but he may have competition from Ahmed Chalibi's Shiite group. Remember Chalabi, the liar? Yeah, real democracy in action when criminal scumbags get to run for office.

Early Iraq election results put prime minister's group in lead - CNN.com

[Islandborn]

Your kidding right? America has been a democracy for how much longer than Iraq?? Our elections look almost exactly the same.....minus the sand and drugged kids blowing themselves up cause daddy is a uneducated islamoconservative....it aint pretty but its BETTER than any other form of government. Id love to see those whacky Danes implement their govt here with a nation our size and population...what-a-joke. Wake up.

Your nitpicking....it will never be good enough for you...cause those people according to you, just simply get past their tribal heritage...and please explain why that is in your opinion? Careful.....screams of racism arent far off lol. Its all good though.......we'll leave the light on for ya.