Recomendations WITHOUT SEEING A DR?

[ShastaCoMan]

Sorry but those drugs do not make people kill and/or steal. People kill and/or steal because they're a-holes. Also, understand that LSD is NOT a physically addicting drug either. Nor are cocaine or meth realistically speaking.

Get an education before you start spouting mindless propaganda.

here here.....
i knew as soon as posted what id like to see as far as dispensaries goes id have at LEAST a couple of ex-felons pop in in protest, but fact remains,the majority of the dispensary owners in california have felony records, most for drugs. realistically, someone whos not been involved with illegal drug activity in the past just doesnt wake up one morning and say "heck man!...im gonna open me up a "non-profit" dispensary and start selling pot, all to help out my fellow man!"...sorry charlies, it just DOESNT HAPPEN. the majority of dispensary owners in california were like i said, street level pot heads/dealers that saw an easy and mostly legal way of bringing their illegal business indoors and presenting it as legal. and the fact remains, if these guys who have done that get the oprotunity to do it or continue, it will literally kill the whole ball of wax for those LEGIT dispensaries and patients.

the way i see it, if a prospective dispensary owner/worker has nothing to hide and is on the level, i dont think under those circumstances they would have one single problem with a background check, taking a class and being closely monitored by the county/state. if they were on the level, why would they?.. the ones who protest are the ones that are going to be doing the "grey area" and "shady" shit under the table and on the side when they think no ones lookin. it would be just like going to work at just about any legitimate managerial job in the marketplace. youd be subject to an extensive background check (ex-felons DONT get those sort of jobs by the way) after your background checks, youd most likely have to go to an "orientation/class" to learn what you can and cant do on the job,ect. and then after going to work, youd have a "district manager" looking over your shoulder.

hell, if i were opening up a dispensary id WELCOME the county comming in and helping me set things up , that way id KNOW UP FRONT im doing things to their specifications.....

IMHO no legitimate person wanting to get into the business and be on the level would have ANY problem with ANY of that. its the crooks and illegal dealers who would ( have the problem) because they wouldnt be able to sneak around and sell shit on the side, lie on the books, make fake ass donations to non existent charities to make themselves look OK and non-profit,ect . man, alot of these guys are putting YOUR MEDICAL MARIJUANA RIGHTS AT RISK...are you OK with that?.....im not. furthermore, for those of you who are thinking "oh, well, they cant do shit cause the voters passed it", well ya better wake up. it wouldnt take much at this point to get both 420 and 215 knocked out of the box, and thats exactly where this shit is leading. dont think for one second that youll be able to "overrun" the government and force them to make this shit legal for everyone by breaking the law and stacking bullshit up. when have you EVER seen ANYONE FORCE our government, federally or state level to do shit?....they will shut every dispensary every co-op,ect in the ENTIRE STATE DOWN before they ( the government) will allow any civilian to force them into shit.

also, if they ever go to the point of getting rid of 215 and 420 , youd have to bet that penalties for marijuana possession and use will go thru the roof

(oh, and by the by, glad you got your life turned around and got into the computer business...problem now is everyone who can plug in an AGP card or connect a hard drive cable is in the "computer business"...personally, im retired now, but i have my A+ certification, MCSE and novel certified, apache ,ive got a degree in computer information sciences, own 3 online forums ( one of them is one of the largest dealing with the specific topic it does on the internet) licensed hunting outfitter and was a licensed firearms dealer and gunsmith for almost 20 years...i also for all of '87 and the better part of '88 worked at Guantanamo bay for the military)


all im sayin is some of you need to get the joint out of your mouth, collect your heads and get right with this shit before it comes down and fucks everyone out there.

[personified]

Notice the way the application question is phrased expunge does not matter.

Are you awaiting trial on or have you ever been convicted of or admitted in open court or pursuant to a plea agreement?

These thing still are able to be found with public records and the prejudice is there.

As far as me losing rights that is nice again I point that finger back at you. Remember that when the guy comes and robs you because he is tired of the society. Remember you did not want this guy to have a chance at a normal life. Remember that a man can only taking getting kicked back again and again for so long.

Mind you there people that are just plain violent. But you have to ask your self does the individual control the environment or does the environment control the individual.

I got out I am lucky but it was not easy and everyday is still a hustle. I wish I was as perfect as you you must be a christian. No that can't be because the bible says forgive and forget.

You live in a sugar coated world it must be nice. So how many licks does it take to get to the tootsie roll center?

[ShastaCoMan]

Notice the way the application question is phrased expunge does not matter.

Are you awaiting trial on or have you ever been convicted of or admitted in open court or pursuant to a plea agreement?

These thing still are able to be found with public records and the prejudice is there.

As far as me losing rights that is nice again I point that finger back at you. Remember that when the guy comes and robs you because he is tired of the society. Remember you did not want this guy to have a chance at a normal life. Remember that a man can only taking getting kicked back again and again for so long.

Mind you there people that are just plain violent. But you have to ask your self does the individual control the environment or does the environment control the individual.

I got out I am lucky but it was not easy and everyday is still a hustle. I wish I was as perfect as you you must be a christian. No that can't be because the bible says forgive and forget.

You live in a sugar coated world it must be nice. So how many licks does it take to get to the tootsie roll center?

HAHAHA!...i WISH someone would come try to rob me, especially a doper/ex felon. that way when i stick my S&W 500 to their temple and squeeze off a 700gr T-Rex killer and remove it from their shoulders, i wont have as much explaining to do. thats sort of comical because everyone within 300 miles of me knows WHO i am, knows how many guns i have , how much video surveillance i have, and knows that if they ever came and tried to rob me, they had better have their burial insurance paid.

every convicted felon i know always has the same "woa is me" story

[ShastaCoMan]

personified, thank you bro

i swear, since reading your post, and letting the wife and a couple of friends read it, we have sit here and literally laughed until we had tears running down our faces.

fact is, if you were convicted of a felony (especially more than once) and been getting kicked and kicked in the ribs, you have no one to blame buy Y-O-U. trying to point the finger at society and holler "boo hoo, whoa is me!" AINT gonna work. society didint make you fuck up, YOU MADE YOU fuck up. hell, when my first daughter was born and i was young ( i was 17 then) we didnt have shit. there were times when i actually went around and dug thru garbage cans every day for pop cans and bottles and other recyclables, just to put milk in the fridge and diapers on their assess, if i got to eat or not. you didnt see me out selling dope,breaking the law,robbin and rapin,ect because society was shitting on me. i went out and took care of mine legally. now, i own my own home outright, several $40,000 to $80,000 hotrods, 3 harleys and tons of other shit, and i got everything i got by working and being legit. no one helped me, i did everything on my own, so dont try to give me the sad story bro, you did what you did to YOURSELF, no one did it to you.

thats like the proverbial guy who gets busted for murder, his prints in blood around the body, on the murder weapon, his DNA in the womans cootch after raping her, and getting caught dead to rights on video doing the deeds saying "it wasnt me, i didnt do it!...it was someone that looked like me!"....BAWHAHAHAHAHA!

[personified]

(oh, and by the by, glad you got your life turned around and got into the computer business...problem now is everyone who can plug in an AGP card or connect a hard drive cable is in the "computer business"...personally, im retired now, but i have my A+ certification, MCSE and novel certified, apache ,ive got a degree in computer information sciences, own 3 online forums ( one of them is one of the largest dealing with the specific topic it does on the internet) licensed hunting outfitter and was a licensed firearms dealer and gunsmith for almost 20 years)

All of my degrees and certs are as follows
AAS Real Estate Sales and Brokerage
AAS Business Administration
BS Business Administration/Information Services
MCT, MCSE, CIW, A+, NET+, MASTER MOUS

I have designed Storefronts and have several performing web sites for customers. I dabble a little in PHP and Mysql however I am not a true coder. Off course I can install forums like this which is PHPbb, OS Commerce, Joomla ect.

I started skipping school going to the college to play with the main frames when punch cards were still in affect. Then started playing with commodor64, TRS80, Apples and the first IBM clones.

Your correct I see the competition of the 15 year old kid that thinks he knows what he is doing. However I get a lot of my customers from their screw ups as well as the Geek Squad and Rent a Tech and others that hire people with only certs. Everybody that has listened to tech support thinks they know how to fix a computer.

I used to work for MS Support at KEAN (what a great company) I learned the OS the correct way. Most think that MSCONFIG is a fix I love it it makes me a lot of money.

However most 15 yr old kids with the exception of one I knew do not truly understand the server environment. Hell I am still learning every day

However while I am sure that some think I should not have a license I am actually looking at NM as a potential producer; I have not decided yet. I am close enough that I can go back and forth easy enough and still run this business.

Yes a felon can do it there after 10 years.

This is what I am talking about we need to be responsible for ourselves. I am responsible for my actions and have realized that you need to be. Not everyone is lucky enough to learn that. Business is what taught me this not societies threats and punishments and NOT JAIL.

[ShastaCoMan]

"Geek Squad and Rent a Tech"

when i had my computer business going i got customers on a daily basis from their screwups.

dont get me wrong, im GLAD you turned your life around. problem is you are the exception and example, NOT the rule in that respect. but the problem we have in california still remains that the majority of dispensary owners ARE convicted felons, DO NOT operate on the right side of the law, and its those guys who fuck it up for the guys who DO TRY to do everything right. statistics show that the majority of convicted felons and drug offenders ,even with proper help eventually go right back to what they were doing before and end up right back in prison or in trouble. mainly because they see the easy money. they dont realizr that once you get busted once they are expected to walk and tow the line and stay out of trouble. believe me, i wish the world was roses too, but it isnt. we all live daily with and by the choices we make as individuals,be them good or bad. no one twists anyone else arm and forces them into criminal activity. no one forces dope into someones veins or up their noses. those are choices they make. if those choices are wrong ( and in todays society, they know there wrong before they do them) they pay the price. if not, they reap the rewards.


it all boils down to, like i said before, unless every single bit and connection with criminal enterprise is removed from the medical marijuana industry, it will ALWAYS be looked on as criminal,period. sure, you here compassion this, help thy neighbor that, but the majority of it is bullshit, you know it and i know it. the majority of dispensary owners are in it for one thing and one thing only. to sell pot and make cash hand over fist,crooked or not.

[personified]

Remember I was convicted of MJ so you seem really high on your horse for someone hanging out in a forum like this. Do not forget I am not talking about me.

But since your listing things I have a couple of toys also

Lets see I have a 1970 El Camino SS
I have a 2001 Low Rider with custom paint of course lots of chrome.
I also have 20' boat
Oh and I have a 9" dick if you want pics I can provide them for you

The only payment is my house I have I do not believe in credit it ruined America along with confused people like you.

The way you brag it sounds like you have SDS and are trying to make up for it.

Do you even know one of the guiding reasons that MJ is illegal is because of people like you wanting to put blacks in jail because the were screwing white women?

You are so much better than the rest of society man I am truly jealous. The funny thing is your best friend is probably screwing your wife and you think your the man.

So condensing but when that guy has the gun in your face because you think your safe in your society you will realize what you have is nothing that can not be taking away from you.

I am now done with you as your a confused elitist idiot and we are not worthy of you. You can not teach a fool to be wise and should not reward ignorance.

[personified]

That is what I am saying we all need to be responsible for our selves. I am not advocating that because of a bad child hood you have the rite to act out side the rules of society.

I am merely saying that it is easy to judge when your life has been easy. Try it from the inner city it is a little tougher if your are not strong. Unfortunately like the idiot above we are a materialistic society.

It is pushed in our faces daily and the haves will always be victims of the have nots. Because the have nots feel they are oppressed by the haves. It may be perspective and sometimes it is reality.

Remember that we are a society and societal norms are what define our behaviors. So if your white middle or upper class than your accepted norms are different than a black from the inner city. His peers have a different mind set of accepted behaviors. Also remember that norms change. Is that not what everyone on this forum wants is to change the norm for MJ?

The one thing I got out of college is there are two types of fair state and county. Yes I am the exception I was smart enough to recognize that in order to live in a society you must play by the rules. But never forget rules are different for different societies. Look at the Muslims they believe it is acceptable to stone a women to death and that is acceptable in their society.

I guess the best thing I can say is do unto others as you would have done unto you. Try and teach your fellow man a different path and when you realize it is a lost cause walk away.

Can you tell at first I was a Psyche Major before being a nerd. I quit because I am not empathetic nor sympathetic and can not handle the excuses that people cry out when saying poor me I had a bad child hood.

In a lot of ways I am callas and numb like the dink above. It is just that I understand it from both points of view. So again I say we must be responsible for our selves.

The funny thing is people like him come to an argument of wits with out the ability to communicate effectively they can only bash. It is sad it shows a lack of respect for others and insecurity in one self.

[personified]

I did read the article before and I understand that it is a scam. Yet being responsible for our selves is also investigating and not be the victim.

However in my hast to debate I did not realize you changed your approach.
So for that I look foolish. But I can deal with it.

So I guess we must agree to disagree.

[redtails]

redtails, do you have a drs recomendation?....you mentioned in your post you dont "need" to smoke.

Unfortunately my state isn't one of the lucky 13, but the last few elections we nearly passed a prop & this year we're likely to get it through. AZ actually passed one in 96 when Cali did, but it was repealed because of wording or something. So no, I don't have a recomendation, but with my medical/psychiatric history it would be no problem if the law were in place. I say I don't need to smoke because I'm able to manage myself fine with or without drugs, whether illicit like mj or legal prescriptions. Sure it helps, but reality is it's not a cure for anything really. It's like super prozac/vicadin in that it helps me with mood stabilization, anxiety, depression, carpal tunnel pain, etc.

Having a conviction is like any other crutch, you're no longer "normal" and have to work hard to keep up with the priviledged. I was lucky enough to have a very supportive mother, probation officer, and friends and have done alright since but definitely not as well as I could have.

Yes a lot of convicted felons or otherwise go back to their old lives that brought them there, but that's usually because their circumstances don't permit much else. Those that have better resourses aren't preyed upon by LEO nearly as much as the ones who have no other options than to resort to illegal activities to get by. Prison/jail is supposed to be rehab, but like was said it's more of a networking center for criminals. That alone makes me never want to go there, so that's my deterrant.

All my convictions except the DUI were for simple possession, under 1/4oz, and my thoughts are why should that disqualify me once it becomes legal? I wasn't trafficking to kids or involved in any criminal enterprise, just an unlucky/not careful stoner. I don't know, what you're saying Shasta just sounds to me like if the IRS audits someone for falsifying their taxes and then says they can no longer have a regular tax-paying job because they can't be trusted to contribute to the nation's economic/social security. That's a little harsh, and like was mentioned: the people who have mj convictions are more likely to know about it, so wouldn't that make them more qualified to operate a dispensary than some kid straight out of business school with a few pothead friends who just wants to make a buck? I should be able to list conviction dates on my resumé, like saying I've been a pothead since at least '02 (actually 2000) or something lol.

All I want to do is be a stay at home dad and grow a few plants, I wasn't talking about being a true full-time caregiver like a nurse or anything. More like a medicine producer/supplier to someone that actually can benefit from it. Of course with kids around it gets more complicated, but safety is definitely a priority. I don't have any yet but we're planning on it in a few years.

I don't see legalizing mmj/mj driving costs down for quite a while, so why not take advantage & use my skills to make a good living while actually doing good for people & making penance? Isn't that what life's about? You get what you give, and I try to help others in any way I can because it really makes a difference whether small or large.

I think I'm just saying, circumstances are all different and that's why it's so hard making these laws because you have to leave just enough room to take them into account but not enough for it to be exploited. I have family that've been in legislature making laws for over a decade and I know a LOT about the beurocratic system and how tough it actually is to try and regulate the masses. It's never black/white like any convictions=disqualification.

Anyways, I'm done :beatdeadhorse:, so :angry3: