Quote Originally Posted by jakester
Well, from what I understand, if the salts are built up to the point that the plants roots are not able to get what they need from the soil you would have all sorts of deficiencies.
Yup. Since most nutrients are salts, they tend to build-up. This causes ph swings and lockout. (yellowing, stunted growth...underperforming in general)

Quote Originally Posted by jakester
I usually recommend starting with a flush because it's the least likely thing to add to the problem. Most people who use nutrients in soil don't flush adequately fearing overwatering.
I use Fox Farms 3-pack, and since it's notorious for salt build-up, I do preventative flushes monthly, on a schedule. About one gallon of properly ph'd water per gallon of pot size.

Do not overflush on a consistent basis. (every week is way too much...)
Overflushing will also flush-away the buffers (limestone, quartz, (silicates) lime...) in the soil, which will also cause wild ph swings.


Quote Originally Posted by jakester
I am starting to agree with you. I have been doing organic gardening for years but it's not something I recommend to people indoors with little gardening experience.
Tends to be a tad 'hot' and harder to dial-in.

Quote Originally Posted by jakester
Keep it simple. Organic is more than just a style of garden product that you can purchase. 95% of growers would have better luck with a simple bag of MG.
Yup.


Quote Originally Posted by devilcowboy3
So, I thought i mentioned all important info... guess i forgot a couple things.
Tiz why someone went through all the trouble of making a troubleshooting form. So some mambers have a guide to follow, and perhaps, save their plants.

Quote Originally Posted by devilcowboy3
SO, I had flushed them, two and a half weeks of straight water 1.5 gallons each watering and watered when they needed it probably 4 or 5 times. Then i went to the store, added my CRAZY (bat) shit and magpro.
Where did you get that crazy schedule? A flush should be a one-time event, not something spread-out over days or weeks. Get yourself on a permanent schedule pronto. No more hit-n-miss, no guesswork. Before adding any other technique or additive...ask folks here.

Check again for the bat shit N-P-K. Bat guano shouldn't have much, if any, nitrogen. Both of your numbers sound wrong, unless it's a fertilizer instead of a ammendment. Also, it says it's a high phosphorous guano, right? The PO4 (phosphorous) lowers ph. very effectively. (can lower it enough to lock-out nutrients)