why won't my cuttings root

[Slappy95633]

Got a picture of your cloner? Is it lightproof? If not at 75+degrees you got algae/funk. what ph is your water? I recommend 5.6-6, others might disagree. Pitch the olivias and get dip and grow and you want your humidity to be 80%. good luck

yeah it is lightproof i don't know what the ph is of my water i a a new grower and haven't gotten into that hole seen yet. yeah i was kind of thinking that the olivias gel was not helping either i would like to know if any one has used that because it hasn't worked in the clone box or just sticking the cuttings in the dirt either

[Slappy95633]

ok so i have cleaned the box with peroxide water and then filled it (i am sadly still using the olivias gel...no money...)i am also using a dome over the top but i didn't reduce light besides the dome has a very slight blue tint and we shall see how it goes i only took 5 so...

[Slappy95633]

ok so i have cleaned the box with peroxide water and then filled it (i am sadly still using the olivias gel...no money...)i am also using a dome over the top but i didn't reduce light besides the dome has a very slight blue tint and we shall see how it goes i only took 5 so...

[EvilCartman]

ok so i have cleaned the box with peroxide water and then filled it (i am sadly still using the olivias gel...no money...)i am also using a dome over the top but i didn't reduce light besides the dome has a very slight blue tint and we shall see how it goes i only took 5 so...

I reckon I'll chime in with my .02.

From the pics, I'd suggest that light intensity is part of the problem. It looks awfully bright, and the untrimmed fans, combined with the light intensity may be what's causing problems.

Would like to know if you have taken temp readings inside the dome and inside the res?

Don't fret about the Olivias gel stuff, it works fine. :thumbsup: I've also used Clonex powder with 100% success. (the powder will just drop off and settle in the bottom of the res.) Either way, the roots have come out in less than a week. The biggest problem I've had is too much roots.

FWIW, I don't mist the clones themselves, just the inside of the dome.

My advice... *Less light*, trim fans, keep temps ~70F, plug it in... and wait.

As far as the whole cloning thing goes, I am a Newbie for sure! I've made 3 cloning runs through my lil' home built unit without a hitch, though. First run, I paid critical attention to pH, temp, and all that. Pfft! Now.. tap water, a drop of Superthrive, mist the dome and walk away.

[uncleweed]

Cartman,

Can you explain why you don't mist the clones themselfs? I usually do. Is it because the light magnification by drops of water can burn the leafs or is there something else?

Thanks

[EvilCartman]

Can you explain why you don't mist the clones themselfs? I usually do. Is it because the light magnification by drops of water can burn the leafs or is there something else?

No real reason. I just wasn't seeing any droopiness or yellowing, at all. The cuts stayed firm and green without any signs of needing it. I always used to give cuts a squirt when rooting in a peat-puck or soil. So far, the bubbler has kept 'em standing tall.

[Felixthecat]

this forum is from grasscity by a username "prayn4magnesium"

After years of my tried and true method I decided to hope on the band wagon and pick up an ez cloner 60 & 30 (both for testing, and shits and giggles). Unaware of exactly what the magic formula for success was I started to play. I tried so many traditional techniques and a few off the wall techniques too. I'm far from amateur and started to doubt my problem solving skills when the nut was finally cracked.

The system is releasing a fine mist into the chamber creating a rich air/water ratio. This is the cloners greatest strenght. Any gels or dips are limiting this rich ratio from entering the cut stem which delays results. So drop the dips and gels. Instead pick up some Root Excelurator (Not cheap but works great, saves time). Add .3 ml per liter of fresh clean water (pH before adding root excel to 6.3). People are gonna fight me on the pH range. it's true hydro/aero pH is best between 5.5-5.8 but thru trial an error I found 6.3 pH pops out roots 3-4 days faster.

Stick a temp probe inside one of the foam disc a few inches deep to get an acurate root zone temp. Keep temp of water at 71.6 for best results.

The ez cloner system is notorious for heating the reservior water above optimal levels. Once the water tempt starts to climb above 75 degrees the terrain becomes primed for bad bacteria to colonize. I found hydrogen peroxide sanitization limits the root excel compounds results pretty significantly. The best solution is to drop temp if getting too high with a timer. The best recycle time is 15 min on 15 min off. Lights should be 18 inches away. Clones need vary little light, less is more here.

Notes:

Tried several root compounds; Jump start, Olivia's, Clonex, Super Thrive, root tonics, root excelulator, and so many others. Root Excelulator by far works the best!

[Slappy95633]

thanks every one for the input i will say this that the cuttings already look better than they would they have not drooped at all and normally the stem in the box would have started to slightly turn brown but i will keep updating as it goes on.

[Slappy95633]

OK so the reading in the dome were 77F and 70% humidity which humidity is higher than the room that's for sure and i removed one of the two bulbs which was above it.

[headshake]

you need to keep humidity between 90-95%. the clones are transpiring water and have no way to replenish it (aka no roots). you temp at 77F is good. don't worry about the gel or powders or any of that stuff. i can clone just fine (100% success rate) with jiffy pellets. i just take the cut, pot it into a moistened pellet, put in a little rubbermaid box with saran wrap over the top. just try to keep it simple.

also, they definitely don't need all that light. they will do fine under a single CFL at a foot or so away. they aren't worried about growing foliage, they need to concentrate on roots. it normally takes a plant a little bit of time to start producing undifferientiated cells that turn into roots. don't fret.

also, like someone above recommended, cut the fan leaves in half. this helps with transpiratiion.


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