New growth very spindly and sick looking! Help!

[KaptainKron]

The previous waterings at pH 7-8 were significantly detrimental to the plant in my opinion. Now that you have that ironed out, you're on the right track....

[tevfik]

Is there CO2 supplementation?
Where is your thermometer?
What is the actual temperature on canopy under direct light?
Can you attach some side view of your plants with pots?

[MadSativa]

Im going with improper ph. I see some issues with how you ansewerd the Ph question in your list. PH should be at 6.0 for soil and 6.3 max usualy 6.3 for soil is oiptimal.

[johnnyblaze326]

well im having the same problem..
all the info is there i think ask anything else and i can tell u ! i have this info down below on word pad so i can copy and paste it with additional info as needed when i need it i can go look back .easier than typing everything over and over again

there is 2 problems that are adressed down below


today on 2-7 i go into the grow room to water with ph adjusted water to 6.5 as always and i noticed the claw affect on some of the younger growth ..happend in my last grow at the same time but last grow i never changed my ph cause i didnt have a ph meter now i do ..i calibrate it on a consistent basis ....my tap well water ph reads at 5.9-6.0 everytime

well ive got a small problem comming in to flowering on my 3rd grow! i started 12/12 on 1-22-11
i have some curling tips pointing down and a couple curling up really pissing me off some newer growth doing some funky stuff too ...

i need to get this problem fixed . over fert maybe under fert or something else ...Im 16 days into flowering i flushed on 1-26-11 with tap water adjusted to 7.0
on 2-1-11 i watered plants with 1 3/4 tsp per gallon of tiger bloom ph adjusted between 6.5-6.8
i cant wait to finish this soil grow ...last time with soil for a while i have all the equipment to run 4 4x4 flood trays and 4k lights cant wait ....
i have also noticed slightly redish stems on a couple plants normal or def.ive read that this is normal on some strains


How long has this problem been going on? started in flowering
What STRAIN are you growing? NL & Ai from nirvana
What was the establishing technique? (seed or clone?) seed
What is the age of your plants? seeds popped out of soil on 12-14-10
How long have they been in the soil mixture they are in now? 1 week before flowering
Were they in the same mixture when they were seedlings/smaller plant? If not, what mixture were they in before? seeds started in FFLW untill roots took hold then taken to 1 gallon pots with FFOF . then on 1-15-11 i transplanted to 3 gallon to finish out in 1 week for stress recov before i put into flowering
What PHASE (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in? flowering 16 days in 12/12
What Technique are you using? (SOG, SCROG etc) el naturale with a small pruning at the bottom for air circulation went up about 3 nodes up from bottom
What size pots are you using? (Include how many subjects to pot) 1 plant per 3 gallon pot
What substrate/medium are you using? What brand of soil mixture are you using?(percentage of perlite, vermiculite...etc?) FFOF
What brand Nutrient's are you using? FF grow big big bloom and tiger bloom
How much of each nutrient are you using with how much water? *Knowing the brand is very helpful* i didnt use Grow big at all during veg only used big bloom at veg time 6 TSP gallon
How often are you feeding? water water feed
If flowering, when did you switch over to using Bloom nutrients?ive only foliar fed once on 1-24 no ill effects didnt want to put anything into soil till i get this figured out i used 1/4 tsp to a gallon
What is the TDS/EC/PPM of your nutrients used? sorry no meter yet on the top of my list to get next
What is the pH of the "RUN-OFF"? when i did a flush on 1-26 run off was 6.5 ph of water fed to plant was 7.0-7.1
How often are you testing pH/ppm/EC/TDS? i test ph every watering 6.5 everytime
What method of pH test was administered? Using Strips? pH pen? digi pen
How often are you watering?when pots are light
When was your last feeding and how often are you feeding?i foliar fed with tiger bloom on 1-24
What size bulb are you using?1000 watt digi hps aircooled hoods
How old is your bulbs?only been run for 2 flowering cycles
What is the distance to the canopy?18-20 inches from middle plant maybe 15 inches on edge of tray
What is your RH Factor? (Relative Humidity)did have problem with low humidity in the grow tent at 29% but in flowering room its between 40-60%
What is the canopy temperature?75-78f
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include fluctuation range)never above 80 during the day never below 73 at night have a small heater in room to turn on at 75
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.)
Tell us about your ventilation, intake exhaust and when its running and not running ?8 in vortex vented through 1 hood i have 2 hoods but that side of flowering is a month behing the ones in the pictures
Is the fan blowing directly at plants?nope just over the top of them it moves the leaves every pass though
Is the grow substrate constantly wet or moist?i dont think it is i dont have a moisture meter but when lifted they are light in weight
Is your water HARD or SOFT?not sure i think soft well water i dont havesalt build up or calcium build up . clay in the well water that is in the groud and it is visible some what if it sits in a container
What water are you using? Reverse Osmosis (RO)? Tap? Bottled? Well water? Distilled? Mineral Water? well
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned or pinched?cut 3 -4 nodes from bottom for aircirculation
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so what and when?never seen a bug besides a couple black flies but never more than i can count on 1 hand
Are plant's infected with pest's?i hope not if so im fucking blind

i do also have a line of nutes that i havent used yet which is
CaMg+
Chaching resin production probably wont use this run
Gravity bud hardener
Bushmaster for the ones that try to get outta control in stretch
snow storm ultra more trichome production ganna use this along with gravity


After doing a little research today i think that the ffof might be to rich to transplant into then flower a week later but this is my personal opinion

[Rusty Trichome]

The claw is from low ph, the burn is from overfertilizing.

When using the Fox Farms line, keep in mind that the necessary micronutrients are in the Grow Big and the Tiger Bloom. Big Bloom is nothing more than a catalyst tea designed and formulated to compliment the other two, but is lacking in the micronutrient department.

Check online for Fox Farms Weekly Feeding Schedule. A "water, water, feed" schedule can easily lead to "water, water, overfeed". Pick a feeding day and stick to it. Plain, properly ph'd water inbetween if necessary. Quite a few nutrient products are labeled as if it is a stand-alone nutrient, and Fox Farms is one of 'em. Always check online for the company's feeding schedules, regardless of the company or product.

CalMag is nothing more than synthetic unsulphered molasses.
Use care when using the other additives you mentioned. If overdone, they can kill.

I haven't heard of the FFOF being too hot for flowering. Just keep in mind the slow release of the nutrients when you resume feeding with flowering nutes. (half doses to begin with...) Yes, you do want to restrict nitrogen in flower, but there isn't enough in the soil to worry about.

[johnnyblaze326]

how can my ph be off i water with 6.5 everytime and i calibrate my ph pen every watering ...I had this same problem at the exact same time last grow and last grow i didnt have a ph pen at all.....grrrrr when u say stand alone nutriets does that mean nothing should be used besides fox farm products

[Rusty Trichome]

Im going with improper ph. I see some issues with how you ansewerd the Ph question in your list. PH should be at 6.0 for soil and 6.3 max usualy 6.3 for soil is oiptimal.

Nope. In peat-based mediums you'll want to keep ingoing to between 6.3 and 6.8 ph to prevent nutrient lock-out(s). (per Fox Farms weekly feeding schedule, which are also the makers of the Fox Farms Ocean Forrest potting mix he's using)
Lower for coco, even lower for hydro. In my garden, I shoot for an ingoing ph of 6.8ish. Mainly because the buffers will start to fade, and your soil ph will take a dive. Aiming for the low-end of the ph range is unnecessarily flirting with disaster.

However, a lot depends on your potting mix and what ph it is buffered to.

[VEGASKUSH]

Ok to get back to the person who started this, I do believe you are either over watering (to much nutrients) or might have takin bad clones. Have you checked the root development? You said you wait about 4-5 days to water wich is way to long. Should be watering about every other day. Check all ur nutes and make sure ur not giving to much at one time! :thumbsup:
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