Good, simple organic nutrient regime in soil for beginner?!

[lampost]

This is by no way any of my own work. I started off this and have never gone wrong. From what I understand it is from lavender cowboy from OG days.

LC Mix:

3 parts Pro-Mix / Sunshine Mix / FFOF / Roots Organics
1 Part Perlite
1 Part EWC

to that add

2 tbs dolomite lime / gallon of mix
2 tbs bone meal / gallon of mix
1 tbs blood meal / gallon of mix
1 tbs kelp meal / gallon of mix

wet the mix with water and keep moist for 2 weeks, occasionally stir the mix up to promote air throughout. This allows the bone to start breaking down and bacteria get their levels up. veg or flower in this mix and water with plain water till harvest.

Senorx - Make tea with the water soluble guano, make sure its high P and not mexican batshit cuz its high in N not P.

Heres the recipe for that:

2tbs Guano
1/2 cup EWC
1 tsp Kelp
1 tbs Molasses
1 Gallon h20

if you can bubble then bubble. if not pour from bucket to bucket couple times and water. water with this from week 3 on in flowering for every watering and cut off last two weeks.

Make sure you know how to read your plant!!! this is the more important thing, all these nutes and blahblbhalbah but if you can't tell if that girl needs more or needs less its pointless.

Thats the basics. Like i said its not my work, I did it and it was dope!

That sounds pretty sweet actually. TRUE organics no doubt. I may check into that tea. That's all you need? I always thought these ingredients were hard to get, but I realized my hydro shop carries them all.

[headshake]

you should be able to find those ingredients at home depot or lowes, possibly walmart.

good growing!


-shake

[senorx12562]

If you speaking of WHORE HEY, I have no idea, never read his books. I don't believe bone and blood have problems as far as nutrition is concerned , preparing on the other hand, takes time if thats a problem for you.

You'll never overfeed with bone and blood vs say... Pure blend pro, an organic bottled nute. Not that PBP is bad, I've heard rave reviews.

Actually, I was talking about the possibility of pathogens being present, not that it doesn't work.

[dagshet]

Actually, I was talking about the possibility of pathogens being present, not that it doesn't work.

I see where your coming from, if your follow the recipe you create your teaming herd of bacteria, good for the soil which in turn is good for roots, thus the plant and yeah. Your herd overwhelms the possible bad herd and your roots become more resistive to attack this way as well.

-shake - I take back the organic goodness can't come from a bottle, from one to another someone tells me that Neptunes Harvest is good stuff. I'm looking at their website and looking at all their products... I've heard of batches of OG Kush, called OG OG Kush as in Ocean grown and I can see why now. All neptunes stuff is from the sea and the OG OG i had was really 'effin nice.

Our jobs here are to find all the different one ways to growing the dank and not to pigeon hole ourselves in one set way. Try it out and report back. I know blood, bone, kelp, and guano is awesome, but I want to try this neptune stuff soon.

[mainegrown]

neptunes harvest works.. one bottle with good soil and your mint..
but you are gonna need to find some cal mag to give em.. its not made for pot so you gotta make it good..
just my observations after using the stuff for a indoor grow.. have used it outdoors and not noticed the lack of cal mag.. but then the plants are not next to me all the time..
~MG

[headshake]

I see where your coming from, if your follow the recipe you create your teaming herd of bacteria, good for the soil which in turn is good for roots, thus the plant and yeah. Your herd overwhelms the possible bad herd and your roots become more resistive to attack this way as well.

-shake - I take back the organic goodness can't come from a bottle, from one to another someone tells me that Neptunes Harvest is good stuff. I'm looking at their website and looking at all their products... I've heard of batches of OG Kush, called OG OG Kush as in Ocean grown and I can see why now. All neptunes stuff is from the sea and the OG OG i had was really 'effin nice.

Our jobs here are to find all the different one ways to growing the dank and not to pigeon hole ourselves in one set way. Try it out and report back. I know blood, bone, kelp, and guano is awesome, but I want to try this neptune stuff soon.

i hear ya loud and clear my friend. if we aren't pushing the envelope then what are we doing this for!?

-shake

[Sensibowl]

I'll admit right now that I haven't used these, but I'm a big supporter of Advanced Nutrients, so I feel good recommending their organics. :thumbsup:

The few people I know who like to do the organic thing (a bit too much work for me) seem to really like Iguana Juice and the other AN organics. I'm not really sure what they all are. I'm sure Professor Google can help.

I think it's pretty right on that organics are going to be a little trickier. I mean, I applaud the effort - much better grow in the end. Healthier smoke for MMJ patients especially. :jointsmile:

You have to watch out though for the organics going bad on you if you don't use a lot. Store them as the bottle directs to make sure they last.

Good luck with your grow - it'll be fun to find out what happens next. :hippy:

[knowboddy]

I've done a few runs with organic and imho it's not really worth it, but everyone has different views and you might prefer it.

Whatever the case, the way you approach it depends on a lot of different variables. When you say you're in "soil" that can mean different things. With commercial products like Advanced Nutrients' organic line they don't assume you're starting with a premium organic soil with a healthy, thriving herd of micro-organisms making up the ideal "soil web". So they have their stuff pre-processed and broken down so that it works in hydroponics, soil-less mixes, and so on. That's the way I prefer it because it gives me more control over the feeding process.

With the more "natural" methods where the fertilizer you're using isn't actually plant food yet but requires processing by soil-dwelling microbes to be useful to the plants, you may or may not have the micro-herd you need to provide the plants with enough food.


Not all soils are created equal, so I prefer to play it safe and assume there aren't enough or the right kinds of microbes present and either inoculate the soil with microbial products, use fully-processed organic ferts (like the Iguana Juice mentioned earlier) or both.

Being too careful just means you were prepared for problems that didn't happen. Much better than the other way around.

[Rusty Trichome]

Unless you know exactly what you are doing, mixing your own is a bad idea.
Unless you know exactly what the plants are telling you they need, mixing your own is a bad idea.
Unless you know how to rectify an overdose situation in the medium, mixing your own is a bad idea. (gotta figure-out the cause first)
Unless you are going to compost those organic ingredients prior to use, they can actually do more harm than good.

Organics can and will burn if used improperly, and must be in a form available for plant uptake.

The organics previously listed may be fine for outdoors grows, or for an experienced grower indoors...but the slow-release properties of the organics means that once you put it in the soil, it had better be the correct ratios...because you can't take it out once it's in there.

Most major-brand potting soils are widely available, buffered, cheap, and they work just fine once you get used to using them.

In my book, organics are waaay overrated. Often to blindly anal extremes.

Quite a few of AN's products are simply different mixes of molasses and additives. Overpriced, and you can get the same results with affordable nutes, unsulphered molasses and some patience. (AN is an unnecessary, expensive habit)

[Rusty Trichome]

Cool. So Calmag supplies all the micro/trace nutrients?! I did want a good micro nutrient solution to avoid defiencies.

I'm not insisting that the nutes are organic, but it would be nice if there is a simple way to do it. I've also heard there's less a problem with salts when you use organics.

Calmag and "bulking agents" are a custom blend of molasses, with stuff like ferrous sulphate. (read the ingredients...either sugar cane or sugar beet origins, I believe) I use unsulphered molasses. It is not a complete set of micros and metals, but It does contain calcium, magnesium and iron, which is helpful in the flowering process. (wow...just like CalMag Plus :thumbsup
Likely a bad idea to add stuff just to prevent defeciencies, unless you yourself have experienced these defeciencies in your garden. If your nutrients are not providing your plants what they need, change nutrients. For instance, Fox Farms has all the micro's you'll need if used according to their online schedule. (no additional micronutes necessary)

Know what you're adding, and why you are adding it...before you add it.

Any and all non-organic nutrients will provide you with salt build-up. (a bunch of the nutrients are salts) Monthly flushing eliminates this problem.