HID Time factor manipulation

[scott9116]

Weezard, I'm thinking it'll be a wickedly stealth smoke stash box. Or atleast a "hide-a-key" that I can't loose but can never remember. It's weird, the surgery was supposed to on my hips. Ortho Dr. sent me to Neuro Dr. to check out some nerve damage in my leg before cutting. I have epilepsy and been 3yrs since last MRI and I been feelin' pretty bad (vertigo, equilibrium probs, tired, very very weak) for a while. MRI my head just in case. So, my hips are still killing me and now it seems like hip surgery is not in the cards anytime soon 'till nerve damage gets better. Head feels no pain. Just found the Cerebellular Ataxia on Friday. Neuro Dr. seems confused as I should be. LOL. I bet this means "We're gonna have to do some more tests." I've come to learn that testing always means more tests. Enough off topic crap.

I haven't been giving the veg stage of growth much thought. I normally pop seeds under 2700kCFLs & 6500kCFLs 1:2 ratio w/ a couple red party lights. Normally veg under 6500kCFLs or tubes. Mothers under 6500k CFLs. As I recall I was running a few 2700k with the mothers but pulled them as I was having trouble with some moms trying to flower at 18/6 and even at 20/4. This was causing really long recovery time after taking clones. I tried 24hrs but didn't like the results. Seemed clones took longer to root and plants just didn't seem healthy.

Rauber's simple 18/6 method boasts better growth per watt. But what about overly eager strains? Is there more or less chance of premature flowering of mothers with this method? More importantly does it offer increased medical concentrations in the finished product? Does it actually speed up growth? Stretch? I wouldn't mind a little more speed on moms so I can keep fewer mothers and get the same amount of clones. Doesn't seem to be enough data on veg. I have to admit that 90% of my efforts were concentrated on flower. Beginning to wonder if I could be missing something though.

[Weezard]

Weezard, I'm thinking it'll be a wickedly stealth smoke stash box. Or atleast a "hide-a-key" that I can't lose but can never remember. It's weird, the surgery was supposed to on my hips. Ortho Dr. sent me to Neuro Dr. to check out some nerve damage in my leg before cutting. I have epilepsy and been 3yrs since last MRI and I been feelin' pretty bad (vertigo, equilibrium probs, tired, very very weak) for a while. MRI my head just in case. So, my hips are still killing me and now it seems like hip surgery is not in the cards anytime soon 'till nerve damage gets better.

Call me gypsy doctor, but, lemme tell ya a little tale.
Also had "nerve damage" and stabbing pains in both hips.
Did all the usual, including cortisone shot to the hip joints.
Nothing helped.
Well, actually, Anti-inflammatorys, noteably, Aleve, helped.

After years of pain and frustration with the medical profession, I had occasion to apply an ice pack, to my lower back.
The burning, stabbing, hip pains stopped!
The pain was being referred by a pinched nerve.
It had naught to do with my hip joints
It was actually a back problem.
A good doctor should have caught that, because it was bi-lateral, treatment applied to the hip joint was ineffective, and the tops of my feet "burned and tingled".
I'm just sayin'...
Things aren't always what they seem.
People are, um "un-equally talented".
Get a second and third opinion, before anybody starts cutting anything, yah?.


Head feels no pain. Just found the Cerebellular Ataxia on Friday. Neuro Dr. seems confused as I should be. LOL. I bet this means "We're gonna have to do some more tests." I've come to learn that testing always means more tests. Enough off topic crap.

I haven't been giving the veg stage of growth much thought. I normally pop seeds under 2700kCFLs & 6500kCFLs 1:2 ratio w/ a couple red party lights. Normally veg under 6500kCFLs or tubes. Mothers under 6500k CFLs. As I recall I was running a few 2700k with the mothers but pulled them as I was having trouble with some moms trying to flower at 18/6 and even at 20/4. This was causing really long recovery time after taking clones. I tried 24hrs but didn't like the results. Seemed clones took longer to root and plants just didn't seem healthy.

Agreed.
Had the same take.
24 hr's jus' not right for mos' critters.
And 18/6 does seem to be the sweet spot for cannabis..

Rauber's simple 18/6 method boasts better growth per watt. But what about overly eager strains? Is there more or less chance of premature flowering of mothers with this method?

Ah dunno.
Kinda hopin' that you lot sort that all out.

More importantly does it offer increased medical concentrations in the finished product? Does it actually speed up growth? Stretch? I wouldn't mind a little more speed on moms so I can keep fewer mothers and get the same amount of clones. Doesn't seem to be enough data on veg. I have to admit that 90% of my efforts were concentrated on flower. Beginning to wonder if I could be missing something though.

No doubt!
We're always missing some kine something.
Question is, are we missing something important?

You can increase medical concentrations by withholding UVb until just before harvest.

You can control stretch by changing the R:B at the proper time.

I'll leave the speeding up to you guys, I have not been able to do that.
I'm in no hurry.:rastasmoke:
But I am keen to learn.
So, I'll jus' lurk about on the ceiling if nobody minds.

Aloha,
Weeze

[stra8outtaWeed]

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[scott9116]

Good advice Weez. I'm gonna try to get a few other Dr.s to look at these MRI images. Problem is there aren't any neuro docs taking new patients in my area. Might try Emailing the pics to a few places. Maybe, if I'm interesting enough... LOL

I suppose that after the babies get bigger and I have enough of them the experiments will start at veg. The speed thing isn't all that important to me just a way to have less moms to look after. I'm thinking that having fewer strains to deal with might simplify things, but some can't handle the crushing heavy indicas like NL and HB (might get even get meaner now). One guy hated the EMH coconut flavor. One thing is for sure, myself and the few other mmj users I know hate having to mess with drug dealers.

[scott9116]

Welcome Str8. Hopefully we can all learn something here.

[Dogznova]

Rauber's simple 18/6 method boasts better growth per watt.

This method uses two timers..One for the blue (445nm and lower) and one for the red (660nm). Very simple IMO.

The blue timer stays on the whole 18 hours. The red timer cycles on and off every half hour.So you have red/blue then just blue then red/blue and so on. Also you start the red 660nm timer 15 mins after your blue timer starts.That schedule makes it so the red spectrum goes off 15 min before the 18 hours of blue goes off. This gives your plants 15 mins of blue 445nm and lower spectrum just before they go to bed . No 730nm spectrum is used in this veg method so no stretch is involved..

Now.... knowing that blue LED's (445nm and lower) creates a very compact plant structure and 660 doesn't cause stretch.. What you end up with is a very strong structured plant with excellent growth..

Sal will answer and make my post seem elementary...LOL:thumbsup:

[scott9116]

I assume that the blue period could be extended to 19 or 20 hours if I have mothers that try to flower? Or does that defeat the point of using the method? Or does the method tame the horny girls?

[Dogznova]

I assume that the blue period could be extended to 19 or 20 hours if I have mothers that try to flower? Or does that defeat the point of using the method? Or does the method tame the horny girls?

Yes, you are correct.. You can go 18/19/20..ect..As far as horny girls goes. What usually tames them is a longer Rauber's simple method.. So ya 19 or 20 hours of blue time will tame the semi-auto flower moms.. Hope that helps..:thumbsup:

[seventhchild]

No gotta wait brah.:thumbsup:
I got choke arthritis kine.
And some hash that will make ya say arth-who?
Come try it.

I Thank You for the kind invite.You've made me feel welcome both at your home and on this forum . May your cup always be full.

[seventhchild]

somewhere in these threads it seems i read that an incan blacklight would be safer to use as a SID nightlight than a green incan.can ya'll explain this?