THE TRUTH OF DOC MARIJUANA SEMINAR

[clonequeen]

Senorx, you went to the seminar...after all doc marijuana and his contreversy, tell me the truth senor x, what kind of person do you think he is? Is he the terrible monster everybody made him out to be, or does he seem like a good person?
Could people be a bit one sided? Do you really think he was going to get personal details to cause someone harm?
Honesty please, shoot straight from the hips, now that you have met the man yourself?

Did you learn today? Was it worth the $250...and did he seem to be doing it just to make money?

Where would you put him on the scale of experienced growers? I think we can all agree it's possible he's not the world's best, but where would you rank his knowledge?

Oh, and he certainly isn't the sort of guy to take himself so seriously he would gloat about family ancestory egotistically....in retrospect, couldn't his last post about God being on his side been a joke?? Now that you met him, you tell me senorx, do you think...HE WAS SERIOUS??
Just tell us, what kind of guy was he?

clonequeen Reviewed by clonequeen on 01-10-2010. THE TRUTH OF DOC MARIJUANA SEMINAR Senorx, you went to the seminar...after all doc marijuana and his contreversy, tell me the truth senor x, what kind of person do you think he is? Is he the terrible monster everybody made him out to be, or does he seem like a good person? Could people be a bit one sided? Do you really think he was going to get personal details to cause someone harm? Honesty please, shoot straight from the hips, now that you have met the man yourself? Did you learn today? Was it worth the $250...and did Rating: 5

[Spacedet01]

IMHO..He was banned for how he acted here. For the internet threats he issued and for the negativity he brought. I dont think Im alone saying that people are glad he is gone. Either way I think DocMMJ is a dead issue and should be left as such. Would be a shame to see more banning when its not necessary.

SC

[senorx12562]

I'm really pissed off and frustrated right now, because I spent about 2 hours drafting a review of this seminar only for it to be zapped out of existence when I somehow got redirected by this website. So now you get the way- shortened version (And you are all probably saying, "THANK GOD").

No, Dana is not a monster, nor did I ever think he was. What he is is something of a hot head who doesn't like to be questioned or disagreed with (and who among us does, right?). In fact I think he's a pretty nice guy who's heart is in the right place, whose rants on this site were an emotional response. Whether he meant them or not, I can't say, as I can't get inside others' heads. I try to say what I mean, and mean what I say, and assume others do also.

Now the class. Since I refuse to retype my previous post ( hunt and peck barely describes my sad typing and computer skills) I'll cut to the chase. Yes, the class assumed no knowledge on the part of the attendees, although many were experienced growers. Although it is apparent that Dana really knows his shit, and has his method down to a science, the presentation was a little disorganized, a lot of which was due to questions from the audience of 50-60 getting him off track and behind. I think some details were skipped due to subsequent time constraints. I got the impression that this class has not been given before, and will get better with practice. There were other speakers, who were worth listening to, but didn't talk much about growing.

As to Dana's way of growing, basically it's an aeroponic sea of green with supplemental CO2. Rooted clones directly to flower, and he claims 7-8 lbs. every 45 days, from either 36 or 60 plants, which was not clear. Either way, those 8 oz. buds in the bowl must be exceptional even for him based on these numbers. That being said, over time that's a pretty phenomenal yield. Although he claims to follow the principles of KISS and less is more, an aeroponic sea of green with automated controllers, CO2 burners and an RO water purification system is hardly simple, or at all suited to beginners. The 45 day time frame means he's only growing short flowering indicas, and he was pretty openly hostile to organic nutrients, insisting that they aren't necessary instead of telling us how to incorporate them into his system to meet the perception of patients that that is important.

Whether the class is worth the money is hard to say. Since he kindly allowed me to attend at no charge, sure it was. If I had paid, probably not. However, that is only because at this time I have no interest in (or $ for) buying all the equipment necessary for his method, although maybe in the future. When I did all my research before setting up my grow, it was pretty clear that if yield is one's #1 priority, aeroponics and CO2 supplementation were the way to go. I made a conscious decision to give up potential yield for the sake of $ and more importantly, to make for a set up that would be forgiving of the inevitable screw-ups. Going directly into flower is just not possible with soil because of how much longer it takes a good root system to develop in soil vs. aeroponically. That makes the class less valuable to me right now than it might be to others. I did enjoy meeting all of the presenters and my fellow attendees, and the enjoyment factor is important, too. I suppose overall, yeah it was worth it, and if I had paid for it I wouldn't feel fleeced, especially if I hadn't already set up my grow. I will answer any questions any of you may have, just post them in this thread. Thank Dana again for me please, clonequeen.

[palerider7777]

I'm really pissed off and frustrated right now, because I spent about 2 hours drafting a review of this seminar only for it to be zapped out of existence when I somehow got redirected by this website. So now you get the way- shortened version (And you are all probably saying, "THANK GOD").

No, Dana is not a monster, nor did I ever think he was. What he is is something of a hot head who doesn't like to be questioned or disagreed with (and who among us does, right?). In fact I think he's a pretty nice guy who's heart is in the right place, whose rants on this site were an emotional response. Whether he meant them or not, I can't say, as I can't get inside others' heads. I try to say what I mean, and mean what I say, and assume others do also.

Now the class. Since I refuse to retype my previous post ( hunt and peck barely describes my sad typing and computer skills) I'll cut to the chase. Yes, the class assumed no knowledge on the part of the attendees, although many were experienced growers. Although it is apparent that Dana really knows his shit, and has his method down to a science, the presentation was a little disorganized, a lot of which was due to questions from the audience of 50-60 getting him off track and behind. I think some details were skipped due to subsequent time constraints. I got the impression that this class has not been given before, and will get better with practice. There were other speakers, who were worth listening to, but didn't talk much about growing.

As to Dana's way of growing, basically it's an aeroponic sea of green with supplemental CO2. Rooted clones directly to flower, and he claims 7-8 lbs. every 45 days, from either 36 or 60 plants, which was not clear. Either way, those 8 oz. buds in the bowl must be exceptional even for him based on these numbers. That being said, over time that's a pretty phenomenal yield. Although he claims to follow the principles of KISS and less is more, an aeroponic sea of green with automated controllers, CO2 burners and an RO water purification system is hardly simple, or at all suited to beginners. The 45 day time frame means he's only growing short flowering indicas, and he was pretty openly hostile to organic nutrients, insisting that they aren't necessary instead of telling us how to incorporate them into his system to meet the perception of patients that that is important.

Whether the class is worth the money is hard to say. Since he kindly allowed me to attend at no charge, sure it was. If I had paid, probably not. However, that is only because at this time I have no interest in (or $ for) buying all the equipment necessary for his method, although maybe in the future. When I did all my research before setting up my grow, it was pretty clear that if yield is one's #1 priority, aeroponics and CO2 supplementation were the way to go. I made a conscious decision to give up potential yield for the sake of $ and more importantly, to make for a set up that would be forgiving of the inevitable screw-ups. Going directly into flower is just not possible with soil because of how much longer it takes a good root system to develop in soil vs. aeroponically. That makes the class less valuable to me right now than it might be to others. I did enjoy meeting all of the presenters and my fellow attendees, and the enjoyment factor is important, too. I suppose overall, yeah it was worth it, and if I had paid for it I wouldn't feel fleeced, especially if I hadn't already set up my grow. I will answer any questions any of you may have, just post them in this thread. Thank Dana again for me please, clonequeen.

i was gunna go but the past 3 days iv'e been sicker than a girl that works in the red light district.been coughing so much my throat is so sore that i can't even talk.im pissed to cause i wanted to go.i would have forced myself to go cause thats how i am but i did'nt want to get anyone else sick.maybe next time.

first a couple ?? about the workshop,was there any lawyers there to speak?thats what i really wanted to go so as to ask ??but i also wanted to see dana's setup but from what you said above it sounds close to my very first setup and what i used b4 i came here."did'nt have the money to do the whole setup over again atm because all my gear was crushed in fla".anyways my setup was/is dwc x aero combo.

and senorx i have a friend that lives in iowa he's been growing for 30+ years he was so hell bent on soil.everytime i would say hey u need to try my setup or any hydro set up he would say nope soil is best.then after i started to show him my grows he tried it and now he says he did'nt know why he stuck so close to soil other than he's just an old dog that did'nt want to go outside of that comfort zone.now he says he will never grow in soil again other than his outdoor grows.at first he did'nt want to try it cause he said it looked way to hard and so much more to do.really it is'nt to me it's alot easier.and indoors all the mess that comes with soil.

another funny thing is u hear people talk about i want organic hydro is junk soil is the best blah blah.i have a uncle that grew in soil for 15+ years.i took him some of my first grow done in hydro with a/n nutes and he swore up and down it was soil grown.

[senorx12562]

i was gunna go but the past 3 days iv'e been sicker than a girl that works in the red light district.been coughing so much my throat is so sore that i can't even talk.im pissed to cause i wanted to go.i would have forced myself to go cause thats how i am but i did'nt want to get anyone else sick.maybe next time.

first a couple ?? about the workshop,was there any lawyers there to speak?thats what i really wanted to go so as to ask ??but i also wanted to see dana's setup but from what you said above it sounds close to my very first setup and what i used b4 i came here."did'nt have the money to do the whole setup over again atm because all my gear was crushed in fla".anyways my setup was/is dwc x aero combo.

and senorx i have a friend that lives in iowa he's been growing for 30+ years he was so hell bent on soil.everytime i would say hey u need to try my setup or any hydro set up he would say nope soil is best.then after i started to show him my grows he tried it and now he says he did'nt know why he stuck so close to soil other than he's just an old dog that did'nt want to go outside of that comfort zone.now he says he will never grow in soil again other than his outdoor grows.at first he did'nt want to try it cause he said it looked way to hard and so much more to do.really it is'nt to me it's alot easier.and indoors all the mess that comes with soil.

another funny thing is u hear people talk about i want organic hydro is junk soil is the best blah blah.i have a uncle that grew in soil for 15+ years.i took him some of my first grow done in hydro with a/n nutes and he swore up and down it was soil grown.

Rob Corry was the first speaker, and did take questions, but there were many more questions than time to answer them, since it was supposed to be a grow seminar. I found it ironic and something of a non-sequitur that although he implored us all to pay our taxes in order to help legitimize the mmj business, he admitted when pressed that by doing so you may be admitting to a Federal felony should the next administration not be as inclined to look the other way.

As to the organic thing, I'm more concerned with what the patients want. If they think it's important, then it is important, whether it would be important to me or not. Perception is reality.

I am pretty tired of lugging and cleaning up soil, especially since I just finished planting a bunch of clones which meant lugging 5 bags of soil around my house and up and down stairs. Although I am too old for that shit, I can't afford a $1200 aeroponic system, or the risk of power outage, pump failure, or operator error causing the loss of a whole crop. I may down the road try out a small system, but not for a while yet.

[palerider7777]

Rob Corry was the first speaker, and did take questions, but there were many more questions than time to answer them, since it was supposed to be a grow seminar. I found it ironic and something of a non-sequitur that although he implored us all to pay our taxes in order to help legitimize the mmj business, he admitted when pressed that by doing so you may be admitting to a Federal felony should the next administration not be as inclined to look the other way.

As to the organic thing, I'm more concerned with what the patients want. If they think it's important, then it is important, whether it would be important to me or not. Perception is reality.

I am pretty tired of lugging and cleaning up soil, especially since I just finished planting a bunch of clones which meant lugging 5 bags of soil around my house and up and down stairs. Although I am too old for that shit, I can't afford a $1200 aeroponic system, or the risk of power outage, pump failure, or operator error causing the loss of a whole crop. I may down the road try out a small system, but not for a while yet.

YOU DON'T NEED 1200 you have the lights already from what im guessing as your growing inside? and worrying about power outtage not really as now if it happens u lose your lights anyways.and your plants are ok for half a day or so if it did happen. with my setup your looking at 120 for nutes 140$ for bins airstones,air pump to run stones. a basic ph,tds pin 80to 100.if you wanted co2 setup thats 250 for full tank/reg. around 600 total and this setup would do 8 to 10 plants.now if u needed to buy light setup then yea.

[senorx12562]

YOU DON'T NEED 1200 you have the lights already from what im guessing as your growing inside? and worrying about power outtage not really as now if it happens u lose your lights anyways.and your plants are ok for half a day or so if it did happen. with my setup your looking at 120 for nutes 140$ for bins airstones,air pump to run stones. a basic ph,tds pin 80to 100.if you wanted co2 setup thats 250 for full tank/reg. around 600 total and this setup would do 8 to 10 plants.now if u needed to buy light setup then yea.

The aeroflow system that this guy was pumping up costs $1200. That's what I referred to because we were discussing the seminar. Like I said down the road maybe. Thanks for the suggestions though.

[lampost]

The aeroflow system that this guy was pumping up costs $1200. That's what I referred to because we were discussing the seminar. Like I said down the road maybe. Thanks for the suggestions though.

So what exactly is the difference between aeroponics and hydroponics?

[clonequeen]

Hey all, DocMMJ wanted me to convey something to all of you. I quote" I'd like to offer my sincere apologies to everyone for getting a little PO'd when thought I was beinging attacked a bit. I should have risen above it. It had been a stressful couple weeks having had the clone queen actually die in my arms the day before the posting due to a siezure. I hope senor, you heard enough from others to realize I have been fighting the good fight for many years. As far as, the seminar being a little scattered, you're right. I did it as a favor and was basicaly awake for two weeks putting it together. My cut? $250 because someone brought a money order with my name on it. The rest went to help others. It is unfortunate I won't be here (on cannabis.com)to help those who could use my experience. Although I do think this style is the best way for many reasons it is by no means the only way I have grown. Senor, thank you for your honesty. And my point about organics was simply this, just because it's not organic doesn't make it bad, many product that are man made are just fine. There is certainly a need for organic growers, just don't like "Hype Words" that can be misleading.

Again my appologize. Dana

[palerider7777]

So what exactly is the difference between aeroponics and hydroponics?

well true aero is done with foggers in the chamber and it works very well it keep the roots at there max in way of uptake of nutes/oxygen. then there the misters that spray nutes onto your root system at all times.again max uptake of all/most elements.hydro is more keeping your roots submersed in your nutes at all times or flood and drain.then u have nft nute film technique.

the goal with all this unlike soil is to get as much oxygen to the root system as possible.with soil you try to do this with things like perlite and such but u can only do so much in soil.