Lwein Thank you for your advice, And like I said b4 sorry for saying you were fixated. I went and purchased a Woodeezlog vape after I had gone out and purchased the extreme Q. Since I started using the woodeez the Q I kept on the side for use with friends. The efficiency is incredible. The stems it uses are like bats and you lightly pack the bowls. but when I can take what I smoked in a month and used the same amount with the woodeez it lasted for 3 months. i tried putting the same amount in the Q and felt no where near the effect I get from the WDZ. Apparently somewhere along the air path the Q looses something. I can happily say though the Woodeez has made a believer out of me. I love the Efficiency of Log vapes.

Now from what I know of there are 5 different makers of log vapes, The Underdog, The Toasty Top, Ceramic Rock Zap, Purple Days, and the Woodeez. As of this posting none of them are sold thru LHS but each have their own websites that they are sold from. I own all but the underdog. and the woodeez is running no more. but the Toasty top, Purple days and Ceramic Rock Zap are all running like champs. And those not standing by to vape with are being used for some aroma therapy.