New Grower New to forum Help apreciated..

[acidtrp1]

Hey whats up im growing indoor in a closet...i have one right now for the veg then ill be switching them to a bigger one im building for the flowering............i havent got nutes yet but im still in the first 5 days..(helps for nut appreciated to)

my setup...
small closet (walls and all inside white)
4 23 watt 1600 lumens day light bulbs...
organic soil
1 gallon pots(i know ill need to get bigger later)
snowcap (self germinated)

Is this setup ok or what do i need?

acidtrp1 Reviewed by acidtrp1 on 01-02-2010. New Grower New to forum Help apreciated.. Hey whats up im growing indoor in a closet...i have one right now for the veg then ill be switching them to a bigger one im building for the flowering............i havent got nutes yet but im still in the first 5 days..(helps for nut appreciated to) my setup... small closet (walls and all inside white) 4 23 watt 1600 lumens day light bulbs... organic soil 1 gallon pots(i know ill need to get bigger later) snowcap (self germinated) Is this setup ok or what do i need? Rating: 5

[TurboALLWD]

You could really use a 600w air cooled for starters, check ebay theres a lot of cheap ones out there. I used the $29 "recipe for success" technaflora nutrient package and had pretty good results. A centrifugal fan is also needed, or co2 enrichment. The CFL's you have won't produce much meds at all.

[acidtrp1]

Ok whats the 600 w air cooled for....im growing on a budget so im trying to do it without spending alot of money.,,,is there a ulternative to the 600w air cooled...im in the process of getting a fan as we speak...can any fan do or do i need a certain one...cause i was looking at a mini desk that had multiple speeds.....
ok so what do u recommend for light on a budget i was planning to add more two more lights.....the bulbs i have are CFL 1600 lumens 6500k..would that help or what lights should i get for the veg stage...i should also state that im switching the lights when its comes to flowering...(im building a seperate room for flowering this room is just for veging..)

[acidtrp1]

if the 600w air cooled is for the flowering thank you for the tip...i didnt know what lights to get for flowering....that will be a big help for my flowering room....will that take of the necessarily light for flowering

[acidtrp1]

if ur reading this help is needed...first time grow....i want to know if this set up is cool for the veging stage...or should i add more light...and im looking into fans...but dont know if theres a certain type or if regualr one can work...growing on budget...also when watering every3-4 days..
whats a good amount for 1 gallon pots..they say to run off whats that...lol sorry thanks for help and time

[caregiver420]

Don't take this the wrong way, but the best thing for you to do is hit the library. Get yourself a nice intimidating book specifically about indoor cultivation, make sure it's full of graphs and diagrams that you don't understand - then read it two or three times until you realize you understand what all those graphs and diagrams were all about.

Florescent lights are blinking on and off like a super fast strobe light at fifty or sixty cycles a second - way too fast for humans to notice, but the plants do. As far as those plants can tell, the florescent lights are only on for barely half of the time they appear to be on. That can be fine when you're working with seedlings or little cuttings that can't take in much light, but big plants need something that provides the proper light spectrum at the proper intensity level, and that can be a tricky thing to get just right if you aren't sure what (biologically) you're trying to accomplish.

I am by no means calling you dumb, but I think it sounds like you would greatly benefit from studying up on how plants use the different resources available to build and maintain themselves. Chlorophyll uses different frequencies of light better than others, and these different color spectrums tell the plant different things about what kind of environment they are in and when they should be doing what.

I have no doubt that the folks here could help you design a kick-ass setup, but you'll get a lot more out of it (figuratively and literally) if you study up on the biology behind the various needs of these living beings you have in your care. Wikibooks has a nice collection of free online "text-books" related to horticulture, as well as some talking about marijuana specifically. I'm sure the other folks here could suggest some good reading as well.

Oh, and if you would like some more help you should let us know what the specific dimensions of your closet are and whether you could run ventilation ducting into it to bring in fresh air (carbon dioxide - it's what the plants use to get the carbon they build their bodies out of) and take out the heat out from the real grow lights you're going to need. Also, are you planning on only using one space and budding every plant you have, or are you going to want a space for summer light timing (moms in "vegg cycle") and a space with fall light timing ("bud cycle")?

Keep in mind that this is your first time - you need to prepare yourself for the fact that you are probably going to get more experience out of this attempt than medicine. Good luck and be patient!!


EDIT: I got my Hz cycles wrong. Florescent lights work at 100-120Hz, not 50 or 60 as I said earlier - the same principal applies: on for half the time and off for half the time, too fast for human eyes to notice the off periods.

[acidtrp1]

THANK YOU FOR YOUR ADVICE...WILL LOOK INTO SOME BOOKS. if u know of any that would save me some time.... im currently building a separate closet just for budding...so this closet is just for veging.... yes i can run a ventilation duct....now with the problems with the light..i bought the cfl daylight lights(is that the same as florescent) cause someone said on this forum that they would work for the veging....im buying a seperate more expensive grow light for the buding stage...Picture included.....

what lights would u recommend me getting for the veging??thanks for the help...

[Vancefish]

This is one of the many I've been looking at. Being a magnetic ballast makes it a bit louder then a digital, but much cheaper and rebuildable.

As for Veg-ing under CFL's I've seen many pics of successful grows this way. Issue is once it reaches a certain size and the light just can't be close enough to the entire thing. You'll want to move to flower. As for which CFLs, Go with a mix of 2700K (lots of red) and as high as you can get 5500k or 6500K (for lots of blue). The higher the wattage the better. :thumbsup: Our girls like lots of blue spectrum light to produce foliage.

How big is this flowering closet going to be? Must be a walk in?

[acidtrp1]

yeah its going to be barely walk in......ok so i can use the dfls then...cause im running 6500k...
loudness doesnt matter so that is a god flowering light?

[Vancefish]

Depending on the closets size, you may be capable of dropping to the 400w. Since we don't know the demensions I can't really say. But that is a good light. You might consider upgrading the bulb on your next buy too. As that one is just OK.