GOD CREATED ALL OF THIS!

[chris62008]

Well how about that. Let's see here, 1) You don't go to church. 2) You do you own research and base your beliefs on that. 3) Your personal beliefs are contained in a book that you have never bothered to research fully.

Your "science" is a sham and a mockery of science. Your beliefs are not fully researched by your own admission. Yet you throw stones at those who don't believe as you do? Interesting . . . and rather trollish.

well well... No real counter argument here.. mainly just trollish stuff lol... you cannot prove the theory wrong so now your trying to bash me... thats whack! lol

[BlueBlazer]

well well... No real counter argument here.. mainly just trollish stuff lol... you cannot prove the theory wrong so now your trying to bash me... thats whack! lol

Troll behavior 101. Step 3, "poor me" . . .

[Islandborn]

Yikes....you guys got your own miniature Jihad going on in this thread...well good luck and god bless, or allah akbar, or peace, or whatever....kill each other for once and let the folks that could care less either way continue to stack money and chill. Love Jesus....awsome dude. Wanna be a muslim.....party on. Wanna worship a character from Avatar.....sweet. JUST KEEP IT TO YOURSELF.:hippy:

Nobody is wrong when it comes to higher powers.

[mainegrown]

good to see some common sense there Islandborn..
always good to see you weigh in on these lil disputes though i doubt if either of these two are gonna let it go.. lol
-MG

[BlueBlazer]

Yikes....you guys got your own miniature Jihad going on in this thread...well good luck and god bless, or allah akbar, or peace, or whatever....kill each other for once and let the folks that could care less either way continue to stack money and chill. Love Jesus....awsome dude. Wanna be a muslim.....party on. Wanna worship a character from Avatar.....sweet. JUST KEEP IT TO YOURSELF.:hippy:

Nobody is wrong when it comes to higher powers.

Go on with your bad self and stack money and chill. I'm not stopping you. I have no desire to kill anyone. This is all amusing to me, there's no anger in it from my side.

[Blazed Deafy]

It must have taken billions of years for your guy in the sky to write all that code, or its simply mutation after mutation and mistakes in the development or evolution of DNA and the diversity of species. Then because he got tired of his mistakes, he destroyed them and started anew. Or from random acts of nature through the geologic activities of the planet wiping them out and natural selection let the strongest, and smartest to survive. I believe in the random and natural selection.

Can you explain how the random selection in evolution works?

Personally i dont give a flying fark what, when, why, where, which, and how WE got here. why bother? dont yall realize that everyone of us is DARN unique and precious since we come from A SPERM and AN EGG. Most of males constantly jack off everyday and billions billions of sperms swim n seek for the egg in vain. Every sperm wasted could be you yet its someone else Even ovaries ovulate every month. Somehow every one of us came to the world for a reason. oneof billions of gametes. the chances of coming to life is slim def shows everyone of you is unique. just something to think abt. i rather to live a life. i abide the motto: life is a trip: self-explanatory :jointsmile::thumbsup:

[hazetwostep]

blueblazer... funny video link! good stuff...

as far as arguing with religious folks who use logic like "i don't understand this so it must be god..." there is no reasoning with them. they are essentially the same people who said science was crazy by claiming that the earth is not the center of the universe, that the sun overhead was a god riding a chariot, that jesus christ was coming again in the year 2000, etc...

i have learned to let them live in their constricted little worlds of narrow rules and views that make them feel safe about the fact that death is coming for them and there is no way around... let's make up a fairytale about a nice place in the sky that makes us not feel scared.

the greatest hypocrisy is that most of these people say they believe and follow jesus and by reading through their posts i can clearly see that they understand NOTHING about what jesus was about.

this is from over twenty years of formerly following christianity which led me to attend seminary which led me to actually study the bible for myself and not just listen to people tell me on sunday's what it said. 3 years of seminary and studying the bible clearly led me to see that it is just another attempt of humankind to understand the unknown.

it has good ideas like "love your neighbor as yourself" and crappy ideas like the many places it condones slavery and sexist treatment of women. if you give it a true study, you will see it is the work of humankind through and through.

[BlueBlazer]

this is from over twenty years of formerly following christianity which led me to attend seminary which led me to actually study the bible for myself and not just listen to people tell me on sunday's what it said. 3 years of seminary and studying the bible clearly led me to see that it is just another attempt of humankind to understand the unknown.

I'm with you man. My father was a preacher and I grew up in the church. I've read the bible cover to cover more than once. It would greatly disturb many "New Testament" Christians to actually read what the Old Testament god was like.

You're also right that it's useless to argue with those folks who believe in god. I just can't help myself sometimes.

[hazetwostep]

my fellow PK blueblazer! i knew i liked you for some reason... haha.. we share a bond that nobody could understand who isn't a PK.

i can't help myself either even though trying to reason with most religious people is like trying to knock down a mountain by beating your head against it! i use to fully buy into that whole scene so there is a part of me that believes there is hope for reason to win out over dogma. if most christian arguments had a source references it would look like this:

Source
1. My pastor
2. It just makes sense to me
3. My pastor
4. Random Bible verse taken out of context from a book that i "know" is god's word because it says it is (beautiful circular logic)
5. Random Christian website
6. Sunday school class
7. Grandma told me
8. My pastor

it still amazes me that people (like i use to) believe so strongly in something they never really look into very much themselves. i have read through the whole bible cover to cover 3 or 4 times but that is not even all that valuable. since it is a collection of books and letters it is much better to read them side by side and not one after the other. that is when all the flaws and wholes and inconsistencies really shine! once you read the 4 gospels side by side comparing parallel stories to each other you will be amazed at all the contradictions in a supposed flawless book!!!

comparing the god of the old testament and the god of the new testament truly is amazing too like you said. "I am the LORD, I change not." Malachi 3:6. the way people try to justify the OT god and the NT god with this scripture is baffling!

[BlueBlazer]

my fellow PK blueblazer! i knew i liked you for some reason... haha.. we share a bond that nobody could understand who isn't a PK.

Amen to that (pardon my pun).

I was fortunate to be brought up in the more "intellectual" as opposed to "emotional" approach to religion. My father was a Presbyterian minister.

He believed in his god, but he was very open minded towards my doubts and even helped me study other religions. I had friends who had the opposite and I always felt real sorry for them.

Being a PK in a small town gives you notoriety that isn't always welcome, but it opened the doors to quite a few young ladies whose mothers and fathers didn't fear a thing from the PK. Heh heh heh