GOD CREATED ALL OF THIS!

[PureEvil760]

Well than jerkoff, wheres your evidence? NO evidence you can get will prove the creation of the universe or better yet, what was BEFORE the creation of our universe. So please, SHUT UP!!!

You can prove God's existance and that is through your own desire. The only 'evidence' to somone unwilling to do this in my opinion would be the countless abundance of spiritual books each one claiming things beyond our perception and most of them, though written by different people in different languages accross the world, share many similarities in their message.

[delusionsofNORMALity]

Even some of the "smartest" naturalists will concede that, even they, don't know what created life.

admitting what you don't know is the beginning of wisdom. those who blindly claim that creation is the domain of a god can never hope to rise above their own preconceptions, they can only feign wisdom as they wallow in their ignorance.

They are just left talking in circles about how things just magically create themselves.

magic? magic is the bailiwick of the religious and the "spiritually" obsessed. what may appear magical to us now might be explained tomorrow and seem mundane the following week. if the term magic can be applied to anything, it is the fantasy of gods and the miraculous nature of religion.

[hazetwostep]

yes.. plz go on living your pointless, worthless life. Well, according to you that IS REALLY how you feel about your life? I mean you seriously have no question on to how you got here? or what happens after you die? you just think that BAM! time was created and so was everything else and it all just came together like this on accident? haha THAT IS WHAT SOUNDS STUPID!!! Not the belief of GOD. lol

you judge my life as pointless? i have been happily married for five years to the love of my life who i would gladly give my life for. i have parents who have been happily married for almost forty years and a sister who i call a best friend too. i love them and cherish them more than anything. i am healthy and happy as a nurse who works with children cancer patients helping them and their families through life and death.

you are arrogant enough to say my life is pointless? if your god is as uncaring and arrogant as you, i wouldn't want to meet him. if you are delusional enough to believe that you follow a god of love, that is simply sad. life is beautiful and this is our only chance at it. i cherish and value life more than anyone who believes that life is a "test run" to get ready for "true eternity" in "heaven."

it doesn't matter how i got here, it only matter that i am here.

it doesn't matter where i go when i die because i am too busy living.

you say it doesn't make sense that there can be such order in the universe without an intelligence to create it. then who created that intelligence? keep a sound and logical thought process and you will see your argument chokes itself. if you say god just always was, then i say the universe just always was and that doesn't make any less sense.. it just doesn't take thoughtless, blind faith to believe in. you have repeatable data to stand upon.

no, science doesn't have all the answers yet, but it is objectively working toward it. religion has been defending disproved ideas for thousands of years from the earth being flat to 7 days of creation to a world-wide total flood.

[mainegrown]

not to play devils advocate but this douche has the right (1st amendment anyone??) to believe and say what he wants AS LONG AS it does not interfere with the life liberty or happiness of others...
and we dont have to listen to his b.s.
also can any of you prove there ISNT a god??
remember the human mind is way more powerful than modern science can quantify right now and we could just MAKE a god for ourselves with OUR minds...lol
have fuun
-J

[psychocat]

well there is no physical evidence!!! thats the thing! science and technology CANNOT explain how the universe started!!! scientists don't know how the universe started!! You have to assume that there is somthing greater than us out there.

Never assume to know anything, a lack of explanation cannot be replaced by fantasy.
As for something greater than us, that's pretty much a forgone conclusion unless you subscribe to the arrogance of humans in believing that we are the peak of stellar intelligence and I don't.

[chris62008]

you judge my life as pointless? i have been happily married for five years to the love of my life who i would gladly give my life for. i have parents who have been happily married for almost forty years and a sister who i call a best friend too. i love them and cherish them more than anything. i am healthy and happy as a nurse who works with children cancer patients helping them and their families through life and death.

you are arrogant enough to say my life is pointless? if your god is as uncaring and arrogant as you, i wouldn't want to meet him. if you are delusional enough to believe that you follow a god of love, that is simply sad. life is beautiful and this is our only chance at it. i cherish and value life more than anyone who believes that life is a "test run" to get ready for "true eternity" in "heaven."

it doesn't matter how i got here, it only matter that i am here.

it doesn't matter where i go when i die because i am too busy living.

you say it doesn't make sense that there can be such order in the universe without an intelligence to create it. then who created that intelligence? keep a sound and logical thought process and you will see your argument chokes itself. if you say god just always was, then i say the universe just always was and that doesn't make any less sense.. it just doesn't take thoughtless, blind faith to believe in. you have repeatable data to stand upon.

no, science doesn't have all the answers yet, but it is objectively working toward it. religion has been defending disproved ideas for thousands of years from the earth being flat to 7 days of creation to a world-wide total flood.

yo man stop being so defensive. lol. I never called your life worthless.. YOU DID!!!!! Believing that you are just here, to be here, is totally blunt. You might as well say "MY LIFE IS WORTHLESS!!!" and that is what you said. That theres really NO reason for us to live... so our lives our WORTHLESS??? hmmm I THINK NOT!!!!!

[psychocat]

To be brutally honest I do believe our individual lives to be a tiny little thing on a stellar scale.

[apocolips31]

admitting what you don't know is the beginning of wisdom. those who blindly claim that creation is the domain of a god can never hope to rise above their own preconceptions, they can only feign wisdom as they wallow in their ignorance.

I think you are forgetting something here, that believers such as my self admit to not knowing everything but, the one thing we do know is that their is a greater power then ourselves. The people who are truly ignorant are the ones who believe science can explain everything to them.
Well what is science? It is our PERCEPTION of the way things work in the world around us. Science is nothing more than a way of man to blind himself of the truth and feel powerful, when in fact the truth is we will never know everything, in our present state anyways. Science is always speaking of something new or unknown that the are on the verge of discovering. What does that discovery do? It makes them realize that their is another variable they forgot to put in the "equation" of the universe you know, then they look for a new thing to say is creating theses forces or acts. It is a merry go round their is never a end. If you believe in string theory then you must know that their seems to be something always smaller that we didn't know existed. Another thing science puts a label on to feel in control of the universe around us,but really they know a lot less about the world around us than we really think. If you want to believe in science so much, science it self has spoke of different dimensions that we can not perceive. You know why because we ARE limited. We are limited to our bodies and our minds, OUR way of perceiving the world around us.

[delusionsofNORMALity]

I think you are forgetting something here, that believers such as my self admit to not knowing everything but, the one thing we do know is that there is a greater power than ourselves. The people who are truly ignorant are the ones who believe science can explain everything to them.

i have forgotten nothing. given an infinite amount of time, we might very well be able to understand the infinite number of things we do not now understand. of course we don't have all of eternity to make those discoveries and will have to satisfy ourselves with the little time we have, but in order to understand anything we must first be willing to start the search. blind belief in that sentient "greater power" admits defeat before we even begin. most all deities have that one thing in common, their ways are mysterious and unknowable by their very nature. admitting to that unknowable force is the first step in blinding ourselves to what is knowable - everything.

Science is always speaking of something new or unknown that the are on the verge of discovering. What does that discovery do? It makes them realize that their is another variable they forgot to put in the "equation" of the universe you know, then they look for a new thing to say is creating theses forces or acts. It is a merry go round there is never a end.

it seems you understand it, but the blinders of faith will not allow you to appreciate a very simple truth - there is never an end to discovery. with each new bit of understanding more questions reveal themselves. there is no final solution as there is to be found in religion, no simple answer to end all questions. that is the nature of scientific inquiry.

[BlueBlazer]

Good answer delusionsofNORMALity. :thumbsup:

Religion is anti knowledge. It is about coming to grips with the death fear and feeling better about things. Nothing wrong with that if it keeps you from popping your cork, but it doesn't make it true.