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12-14-2009, 11:01 PM #1
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Bubbler-Pond fogger cloner
Oh man, good luck. That's about all I can definitively say about what your doing. It was actually a little funny to see your pics because I have one of those setups sitting in my garage because it sucks! Sorry to say it. The good news is that I have done exactly what you are doing and will give you some tips that I have picked up from the same people your talking to now, as well as using the same equipment your using now. Oldmac uses the Frapa fogger so he doesn't count..lol
The problem with the fogger your using is that it only produces DRY fog. Your plants will need water. That is an absolute necessity. The fogger alone can not sustain your plants in my opinion and I have tried many methods including 4" fence posts just like your doing. Additionally, your pots are too close for veg and bloom, but I think you know that already. I didn't when I tried what your doing and quickly discovered that I ran out of room in there for larger plants. For some reason, the way I grow plants, they all come out bushy and short which means you need a good foot on either side of the plant to give it plenty of room. I know your just wanting a system to clone in though. It seems to me that I couldn't even get the plants ready for the veg cycle with fog alone. I mean to say that I don't think you can just use fog alone even for just cloning as the plant will need more water then what the fogger can produce. Nute's wise, fogging works great, but since you and I have dry foggers, we can never provide enough water for the plants without a secondary system.
Mold will become an issue if you don't control the fog well enough. Humidity is a large issue for foggers. Personally I think it creates too much of a humidity issue at least in my environment. Not only are my leaves all wrinkled from the high humidity, but I also tend to get mold at the base of the plants. DO NOT LET YOUR LIGHTS, COME INTO CONTACT WITH THE FOG. Where ever the fog is allowed to reach outside the res and the lights are shining on that spot, that is where your mold will start. The fog will want to creep out from the inside of the pot especially if your plant doesn't completely fill the hole in the neoprene disk. The lights tend to shine about 1/2" below the neoprene inserts so wrap the base of the plant with something to prevent fog escaping and light from getting down into the pot.
Getting the fog to the right spot was an issue for sure. I had troubles trying to figure a way to get the fog into the fence posts and I figure you will too. They make a waterproof fan that might work great for you. I ended up using an air pump and placed it in such a way as to push the fog towards the growing chamber. Too much air and the fog just blows away, too little and it doesn't get to where you want. Oldmac certainly has this down to a science, but he is using a much different setup then you or I are using. You can get speed controllers for computer fans as well as lower wattage transformers for electronic toys and reduce the fan speeds if your blowing fog too much.
The roots are definitely an issue. Fog roots are very fragile, tiny and hairy and do not like water splashed on them, just like oldmac pointed out. I tried a high pressure watering system to supplement the fog, but failed flat on my face. Frankly, for me, the journey was not near as important as the destination, so I gave up, got away from fog and went with something that would for sure grow plants quickly and easily. Low pressure aero is the cheapest, easiest and safest way to grow efficiently.
By the way, I have a 3 head fogger just like yours (looks like yours only has one head) and it just sits on the floor until I can figure a way to use it properly.
I'm not sure I can tell you properly how to make your system work, but I do know what doesn't work for sure. If that is of any benefit to you, then I can share more if you want. I really wanted fog to work, but it's not easy. Personally I think you need at least 2 to 3 zones for plant roots, where the fog sits on the top, sprayers in the middle somewhere and pools of water at the end.
*I'm on google talk under this username if you want to try and figure this out together through chat.
Others have had better success then I have had, but since they nearly all used different equipment then what you and I are using, they will have different successes. I saw several videos and grow logs similar to ours and they all end the same way...not enough water for the roots.Prodaytrader Reviewed by Prodaytrader on . Bubbler-Pond fogger cloner I wanted a better cloner than the domeâ?¦.I did a lot of reading, and yes the super cool Frapaplas fogger at about $600 per copy is the top of the line. At $600 the clone dome wasnâ??t looking so bad. Around a hundred bucks seemed more like my budget. While the frapaplas would fog the entire roomâ?¦.Iâ??m a California boy that can only do 6 at a time, so a pond fogger seemed to fill the bill. I tried to build with whatever I could pick up locallyâ?¦.Iâ??m a bit rural, and trips to the city Rating: 5
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