ohh, and as you can tell everything that i have invested into my grow set-up has been cost free, i just have a pretty good mind and good at improv. i guess the proper term for what im doin is buddin on a budget, maybe you guys should have a post that is solely based on that, as ive seen numerous people without means or access to "proper" hydroponics. just a thought, and did i mention im baked out of my mind right now:rasta: