in the 'old days', when people voted with their brains, instead of with their 'feelings', there would be NO way Obama could possibly win a second term (or, the first term, for that matter) ... however, the weakness of a Palin candidacy (I 'could' vote for her, but would prefer a stronger candidate), combined with the vote-splitting of a 3rd party (which is exactly what put Clinton into office, both elections), and, the ignorance and selfishness of modern voters (selfishness, as in 'Obama will legalize my dope' voters, :wtf, may spell doom for America at the polls ... this country will NEVER improve, as long as selfish Voters cast their ballots for 'themselves', instead of what's good for the country, as a whole ... greed and selfishness SUCK, regardless of which side of the fence it is on ... I predict we are heading into a worse depression than we've ever seen, see how you like your 'change' then ... :smokin: