I have grown nirvanna ice [and several others] in the past and was pretty good. the last order i got from them wasnt. 6 seeds outta 20 popped also instead of the 20 i ordered one "seed" was actually a pebble. contacted them and got the generic response. NO satisfaction. SOOOO, altho they have cheap seeds they will also f--- you. last time I will use them, I would rather pay a little more and not get screwed without a kiss. b.t.w. I'm deffinatly NOT new to growing.