Patient collaboration and Grower certification

[colagal]

Amendment 20 seems to have been designed to favor patients growing their own medicine and care-giver/growers, not a wholesale/grower retail/care-giver arrangement. Therefor most growers end up as outlaws and care-givers who aren't also growers can't get enough product to sell. What would be the situation, I wonder, if I had 30 patients for whom I was growing and who had designated me, then the cops show up at my door with a warrant, and find 90 veg plants and 90 flowering plants. Then suppose they call the CDPHE and check the records of all of my patients, only to find that half have changed their care-giver with NO notice to me.
At this point, any grower with half a brain is going to stay as far under the radar as possible, in fact acting exactly as they would have prior to amendment 20. The risks aren't even all that different, and the retail price of medicine reflects that. Now the City of Denver and the State legislature have raised the hue and cry for more regulation, which they are going to find very difficult.Growers who have to stay underground in order to not risk jail are not going to comply with any attempts to regulate them or even the barest attempt to have some form of registration/certification if it requires disclosing what they are up to, at least I wouldn't.

The radar sweep may become wider as well as the risks. From Sensible Colorado:

CO Health Board to vote on Tuesday (11/3) to Weaken Medical Marijuana Law


**EMERGENCY ALERT-- PLEASE FORWARD WIDELY**

In an underhanded move, the Colorado Board of Health will be voting to weaken the medical marijuana law at an "emergency" meeting on Tuesday, November 3 at 10:30am in Denver. At this stealth meeting the Board will be voting to redefine what a "caregiver" is to require such individuals to provide supplementary-- and often unnecessary-- services beyond simply providing sick patients with medical marijuana.

"This is like requiring my pharmacist to give me a massage or make me a sandwich," said Dan Pope, muscular dystrophy patient and medical card holder. "I can do those activities myself. I need a caregiver to give me medicine. End of story."

This meeting, which was announced in a late afternoon email to a small handful of patient advocates, is another example of the state engaging in underhanded tactics in their effort to undermine the medical marijuana law and the will of the Colorado voters. Please help hold them accountable.

Here's How You Can Help:

(1) Attend the Meeting. This meeting will occur at 10:30am on Tuesday, November 3 in the Snow Room, 1st Floor Building A of the Colorado Department of Public Health and the Environment, 4300 Cherry Creek Dr. South, Denver CO.

(2) Call-in to the Meeting. While we strongly prefer that you attend in person, you can also call-in at 1-866-899-5399, conference code *3529725*

(3) Spread the Word. Please tell friends and family to attend the meeting and forward this alert widely!

[senorx12562]

Of course I found out about this meeting about 1 hour after it ended, but it apparently didn't matter anyway. It is very curious to me that the CDPHE pretended that they were merely trying to bring their rules into line with the Clendenin decision, but they were under absolutely no obligation,legal or otherwise, to do so. I firmly believe that this is an attempt to be seen to do SOMETHING, even if it is counterproductive.

[colagal]

Of course I found out about this meeting about 1 hour after it ended, but it apparently didn't matter anyway. It is very curious to me that the CDPHE pretended that they were merely trying to bring their rules into line with the Clendenin decision, but they were under absolutely no obligation,legal or otherwise, to do so. I firmly believe that this is an attempt to be seen to do SOMETHING, even if it is counterproductive.

This Something, i.e., changing the caregiver definition, muddles an already murky rule. I think CDPHE saw an opportunity to throw in a monkey wrench to upset the momentum, i.e., the fast growth of dispensaries. So now, does the caregiver have to provide a list of services beyond selling meds, like the example in the newspaper refers to: cooking meals and shopping? What if my patient doesn't want me to cook for them (a completely understandable concern), or anything else other than provide meds? Do they have sign some kind of declination of services form?

What of the growers? Do they have to become affiliated with dispensaries that do provide more than just selling meds in order to be covered?

Now for the endless debates and confusion regarding clarifying this action...

[palerider7777]

This Something, i.e., changing the caregiver definition, muddles an already murky rule. I think CDPHE saw an opportunity to throw in a monkey wrench to upset the momentum, i.e., the fast growth of dispensaries. So now, does the caregiver have to provide a list of services beyond selling meds, like the example in the newspaper refers to: cooking meals and shopping? What if my patient doesn't want me to cook for them (a completely understandable concern), or anything else other than provide meds? Do they have sign some kind of declination of services form?

What of the growers? Do they have to become affiliated with dispensaries that do provide more than just selling meds in order to be covered?

Now for the endless debates and confusion regarding clarifying this action...

as i said b4 but everyone acted as if i was a dumbass.but as i see it the way they are acting as u have to provide "extra"care beyond providing the meds.how can a caregiver that grows for a dispensary now provide the shop with meds?he caregiver never comes in contact with the shops "patients".

to me extra care means your taking care of there meds there plants as you have to keep them fed and pest free and light.to me thats extra care something the patient does'nt have to do...

this in line with everything else our gov is doing now there will be a boiling point. that the people of this nation will not take much more of this bullying.whats the name of that movie with daniel day lewis where he finds oil? it's around the bend.....

btw the whiners that have been whining about compassion should be patting themselfs on the back as they are going to be used as pawns in the states lil game.

[palerider7777]

This Something, i.e., changing the caregiver definition, muddles an already murky rule. I think CDPHE saw an opportunity to throw in a monkey wrench to upset the momentum, i.e., the fast growth of dispensaries. So now, does the caregiver have to provide a list of services beyond selling meds, like the example in the newspaper refers to: cooking meals and shopping? What if my patient doesn't want me to cook for them (a completely understandable concern), or anything else other than provide meds? Do they have sign some kind of declination of services form?

What of the growers? Do they have to become affiliated with dispensaries that do provide more than just selling meds in order to be covered?

Now for the endless debates and confusion regarding clarifying this action...

as i said b4 but everyone acted as if i was a dumbass.but as i see it the way they are acting as u have to provide "extra"care beyond providing the meds.how can a caregiver that grows for a dispensary now provide the shop with meds?he caregiver never comes in contact with the shops "patients".

to me extra care means your taking care of there meds there plants as you have to keep them fed and pest free and light.to me thats extra care something the patient does'nt have to do...

this in line with everything else our gov is doing now there will be a boiling point. that the people of this nation will not take much more of this bullying.whats the name of that movie with daniel day lewis where he finds oil? it's around the bend.....

[palerider7777]

also if the gov/state wants to play dickie dick we can play.but first make clear the rules that way it will taste better as it's being shoved back down there throats. so in essence they want the caregivers to also be nurses.im game for that last time i ck'd nurses that make reg house calls make about 80 to 100k a year.so when they change the wording they need to also add in there for state funding and add caregivers to the medicare list like they do docs and such.that way they can pay for the patients extra care.

i bet the real nurses that went to school and paid for training will be pissed tho....

[colagal]

to me extra care means your taking care of there meds there plants as you have to keep them fed and pest free and light.to me thats extra care something the patient does'nt have to do..

I agree, a successful grower spends a lot of time, energy, money, and TLC producing a quality product, not to mention the risk of having to do all of this in the shadows now that the grower-dispensary-patient relationship has come under fire. I would guess that the patient's well-being is satisfied in over 90% of the cases by getting decent meds at reasonable prices...

The State Board will meet again on Dec. 16 to make a permanent rule change...time for the public to get involved again.

[palerider7777]

I agree, a successful grower spends a lot of time, energy, money, and TLC producing a quality product, not to mention the risk of having to do all of this in the shadows now that the grower-dispensary-patient relationship has come under fire. I would guess that the patient's well-being is satisfied in over 90% of the cases by getting decent meds at reasonable prices...

The State Board will meet again on Dec. 16 to make a permanent rule change...time for the public to get involved again.

agreed

[coolboarder368]

I live up in Boulder and completely agree. One of my roommates let a probation officer into my room and he noted two flowers present upstairs. I'm scared for my life right now and jail time even though I'am a patient. Still waiting for my license from the state. Anyways everything seems completely murky right now and unfortunately because of the mass number of newcoming patients in colorado every day, eta 2k, things will remain this way.
I spoke to several lawyers about my situation and they all told me I was in trouble. Since I did not have the certificate from the state at the time the probation officer noted my plants I would be going to jail.
I can see conformity in accordance with state laws being a justifiable expectation of the judiciary system but what does that even me.
To me everything is incredibly merky. I could get raided and arrested any day for what the officer saw.
Do I move my crops and continue on? I hauled over 5 tons of dirt out with 5 gallon buckets it took months to build my setup? The situation is left up in the air until now, it has been a week.
I think we all need to be more careful, people have been abusing amendment 20 since the day it was processed. It will be a shame to see it all shut down, but I strongly believe it is only a matter of time. Who knows, maybe some of you are right and it will become such a silly and worthless problem that it is all completely disregarded and legalized. I dont think so but who knows.

-Jackson

[coolboarder368]

I live up in Boulder and completely agree. One of my roommates let a probation officer into my room and he noted two flowers present upstairs. I'm scared for my life right now and jail time even though I'am a patient. Still waiting for my license from the state. Anyways everything seems completely murky right now and unfortunately because of the mass number of newcoming patients in colorado every day, eta 2k, things will remain this way.
I spoke to several lawyers about my situation and they all told me I was in trouble. Since I did not have the certificate from the state at the time the probation officer noted my plants I would be going to jail.
I can see conformity in accordance with state laws being a justifiable expectation of the judiciary system but what does that even me.
To me everything is incredibly merky. I could get raided and arrested any day for what the officer saw.
Do I move my crops and continue on? I hauled over 5 tons of dirt out with 5 gallon buckets it took months to build my setup? The situation is left up in the air until now, it has been a week.
I think we all need to be more careful, people have been abusing amendment 20 since the day it was processed. It will be a shame to see it all shut down, but I strongly believe it is only a matter of time. Who knows, maybe some of you are right and it will become such a silly and worthless problem that it is all completely disregarded and legalized. I dont think so but who knows.

-Jackson