I've heard that about their NL, but heard some pretty positive things about their KC33, so I ordered a 10 pack, plus a 10 pack of Seedsman Skunk Haze, and a 10 pack of Lowryder's dwarf mix, plus I get 3 femmed seeds free, I went through the Attitude, got the guaranteed shipping, just over 120 bucks when all was said and done. :jointsmile: