ACLU VIOLATES OPEN PUBLIC MEETINGS ACT.. AGAIN

[sandybarr]

James SR. I know that you are part of the cannacare forum so I have to maintain distance from you.I do not do this for any other reason than to maintain seperation from an organization that apparently according to the two task forces is still under investigation for Rico Act violations.
I was denied public records for that very reason.So I must keep a distance from Cannacare people until things blow over.people still believe and that is ok with me.I have said my piece and I will let it be.As I have stated before I would love to be wrong about the movement leader,but for now they would love to tie me to him to get a crack at me.I am the one they were after the first time,and I bet I am still the one they are after.

sandybarr Reviewed by sandybarr on 10-17-2009. ACLU VIOLATES OPEN PUBLIC MEETINGS ACT.. AGAIN Hello, For too many years now the ACLU has been meeting with law enforcement in private to determine medical marijuana policies. This practice is not only unethical it is against the law. This policy decision should only be made by an open rule making process that is open to everybody, and not by clandestine meetings for the special few. The history of the ACLU meddling into medical marijuana is now well documented. In the past enforceable policies have been developed for Rating: 5

[jamessr]

sandybarr, I also am a THCF patient since 1999 and was a volunteer there, and am in a war with thcf, you are a THCF patient associated with a fraudster than I guess since they are after me also we shouldn't be mmj patients... Please put your issues aside with steve or what ever your rico issues are, just you going on this site is a rico issue, just you being a mmj patient is a rico issue, you say that steve didn't have a license when you had your run in, not my issue bro... THE WA. STATE located U.S. attorney's office got on your ass for filing your inquires into WESTNET you sillyman,FEDERAL MONEY GRANT inquires, they are on my ass for doing the same thing you did, just on the different level for filing citizen criminal complaints against state, county & city LEO',not to mention a $20 mil tort claim, bar complaints against steinborn, hiatt, private lawyers hired by risk management I.E. STU ESTES of keating, bucklin & McCormick and Todd Rueter of K/L Gates the largest government(LEO) lawyer agency in the world. SO BIG DEAL, BUCK UP AND BE A MAN, just because of your issues in your mind with steve don't legally transfer to me, just like mine with PAUL STANFORD don't transfer to you... we PATIENTS all need to stick together in the mmj fabric, or go hide under a rock, and don't come out, and definitely don't go to any public meeting on mmj, as in oly you mentioned meeting me at here on the forum... come on your a very smart dude and should know better than to act like this toward other mmj patients.. we can put these fools to bed if we SMART people actually work together to the common good, you got some info. I need to continue my work for the common good of us mmj patients, thats what I need from you PERIOD !!! ain't interested in anything else, I have read your work on-line and it gave me wood, deny me stable wood ?(were is the viagra in that? SHIT), I can't believe anyone doing that in your position, cruel and unusual punishment bro... I am a solider in the fight, not one to hide in any closet EVER,EVER,EVER !!!!!! Don't want to fight a fellow mmj patient, just all those against us... play ball sandy...

[killerweed420]

So whats the big deal with thcf? They're just doctors authorizing MMJ to patients. They don't have a dispensary that I know of so they're not vilating any laws.

[sandybarr]

James Sr.

Sounds like interesting stuff going on with the old guard ,white night,Hempfest inc crowd.I have until January to sterilize and Homogenize a legal argument capable of withstanding an immunity defense and summary judgement.Then I have to come up with 1400 bucks to file and serve the summons and complaint.There is a lot on my plate right now,while I wait for an division II appeals court decision I may have to appeal. I have been going at it alone for years now and I seem to be getting better and better at it.

What is it you want from me..Is it information..there is enough stuff posted here that you or anyone else can use in your battles.Funny you should mention cruel and unusual punishment it is now part of my legal argument.

This outta be specific enough to survive immunity and summary judgment

a. Even if State, County, and City Defendants had colorable authority to enforce federal marijuana laws over state medical marijuana laws, and ultra vires medical marijuana plant limits, for medical practice standards to be used under programs operated by State, County and City Defendantsâ?? Departments, such authority does not permit Defendants to establish standards that are contrary to existing Specific lawful standards of medical practice developed by MQAC
The medical marijuana plant limits and de facto 60 day supply creations specifically conflict with the Washington State medical marijuana initiative, approved by the Washington state voters. As such, the ultra vires within the meaning of the law of the State of Washington, and will of the people violates the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution and should be enjoined in toto by this Court and declared invalid for any lawful purpose.
80. ___________ was seeking treatment for his pain, and was striped of the statutory rights under state law to seek the necessary medical care that would allow him to avoid intolerable pain and suffering, including choosing medical marijuana when no effective alternatives are available.
a. The right to make this choice is a fundamental right under the due
process clause, and is entitled to the strongest degree of constitutional protection.
81. Undermining the state medical marijuana law unduly burdens a
mentally competent adultâ??s fundamental liberty interest in avoiding
intolerable pain and suffering by seeking a physician-patient
relationship wherein a physician is allowed to exercise his best
professional and scientific judgment, even when such judgment is that
pain treatment with medical marijuana when it is medically necessary and no adequate alternative exists.
a. When the state exercises sufficient â??control and dominionâ?� over
the life circumstances of an individual so that it becomes
impossible for the individual to obtain necessary support , such as
medical care, then by virtue of state â??control and dominionâ?� over
those life circumstances, the state undertakes the obligation to
make that support available to the extent that absence of such
support would result in â??torture or a lingering death.â?�
b. The Stateâ??s overall and unduly restrictive regulatory impairment of
the only legal state mechanisms whereby individuals could obtain
necessary medical care with voter-approved medical marijuana, lawful treatment of severe chronic pain with medical marijuana as restricted through the civil conspiracy to undermine the Washington State medical marijuana Act described above -- results in â??control and dominionâ?� over the medical circumstances of persons who, without such treatment, would have to live in intolerable
conditions. When a State, such as here, chooses to exercise
complete â??control and dominion,â?� then by virtue of the state
regulatory environment impairing the availability of necessary medical care, citizens on the street have less â??freedomâ?� to obtain
that care than incarcerated prisoners who have a legal entitlement
thereto under the Eighth Amendment.
c. When the State chooses to exercise such complete â??control and
dominionâ?� that it effectively proscribes or stigmatizes all
reasonable lawful avenues for receiving necessary medical care,
then the State has a concomitant obligation to ensure that adequate
resources are available for treatment of those medically necessary
needs which, absent interference by the state, would not otherwise
produce physical â??torture or a lingering death.â?� By virtue of state
â??control and dominionâ?� it is the state impairment that is
responsible for the physical â??torture or a lingering death.â?�


GOD I CANT WAIT.

[jamessr]

Well sandybarr, look at this. If the 15 plant limit is a real issue then lets find out why? So when you look at the city of aberdeens dtf website, they claim each plant is worth $4,800, so 15x $4,800= $72,000, the courts just changed the superior court jurisdiction upto $75,000 from $50,000, that means one can't bring forth a civil claim in the proper jurisdiction to make a claim, CORRECT? (risk management !!)

Now look at the Grays Harbor Superior court case my son & I have in that county(Mr. Hardgroves jurisdiction) 61 plants x $4,800 x 3=$878,400, just in CROPS( under the timber statutes, it's treble damages automatically) not to mention the amount of equipment they destroyed worth over $30,000.

My son set down in Whitman county(I suggest you get copies of the documents he filed, under James E.Barber jr. aka Barber Bishop) that mmj is NOT CONTRABAND for any mmj patient, meaning NOT A CRIMINAL OFFENSE under RCW 69.50 AND THE STATE IS WITHOUT JURISDICTION TO SEIZE LAWFUL PROPERTY OR FILE CRIMINAL CHARGES UNDER 69.50, unfortunately he is in prison in alaska for trumped up cs charges & he is looking at 5-10 years, so he can't continue the fight here, as he now has others..

You forgot to follow the contracts of the dtf, THE MONEY TRAIN BRO,(copies of the cash warrants under CTED, they are ONLY allowed to investigate DRUG TRAFFICKING, not medical treatment for the "use" of the substance of mj, which is not to be IMPAIRED...

Your 14th amend argument will fail, without the state first acknowledging your statutory rights under RCW 69.51A et. seq., this means they must give you back medicine without filing any motions for it to get it back...

Your 8th amendment will also fail, because you don't have the 3rd prong established yet under that amendment.. see the case in the state of california, city of L.A. homeless people case... What you have is a summary judgment on what you have before the court, AS IT IS RIGHT NOW,YOU MISSED VERY IMPORTANT FACTS AND CASELAW.......

This is the reason I asked you to send me EVERYTHING you have:thumbsup:, not to tell me read what you put on-line, because you didn't put it all on-line, and rather than airing it out here or on other sites, I just want it all to read for myself( for your benefit), we have been at this since before the law came out, and changed much policy without issues.. so buck up bro.. imp:

[jamessr]

KW 420, I suggest you show up at my trial on Nov. 30th at 9a.m. and learn who, what, where, why and how.. this is in Grays Harbor County DC2 in Aberdeen on summner st. THE HEAD CITY THAT DISTRIBUTES THE FEDERAL DTF GRANT FUNDS IN GRAYS HARBOR COUNTY, REP. HARDGROVES JURISDICTION, THE GUY WHO DRIVES THE BUS THEY TOSS US MMJ PATIENTS UNDER, MY TURN TO DRIVE THE BUS...

THCF is not who they claim to be, they turn in patients for profit, don't argue, just show up !!!!!!!!! If not then shut your pie hole... I am a certified patient of dr. orvalds...

Ya got any clue why the DOH made new rules for recommendations, i.e. 1yr expiration of documentation??? Because of my case before the district court, you got a 1yr. expiration on your recommendation, CORRECT !! Well son, I don't, nor does mine have any thing that says THCF on it, yet Mr. Stanford decided he wanted to practice medicine without a VALID license to do so....Just like Leveque and Dodge in washington state, have had all of them sign my documents over the past 10 yrs...look at state v. soper, stanford has acknowledged he is THE SUPERVISOR of the DR.'s, son that is illegal here in Washington state, PERIOD !!! So you may be without any lawful document when I get done with this case... Your bad for not being up on the laws, not mine. Ignorance of the laws are no excuse!!!!!!!

By the way, it was me who forced Stanford to hire Orvald because he was frauding all us patients with the other non-licensed dr.'s in wa., he made huge amounts of money, which he laundered through THCF.. Feel covered now??:thumbsup:

[sandybarr]

No 8th amendment or fourth amended argument that has used the latest case law has lost. They can not interefere with the medical treatment of a physician.Gonzales v. Oregon is the new argument on the block.You are stuck in the media world of Norml/Raich yada yada.

Orvald is a legal physician in Washington state.They licensed him.if he was not a legal physician then they should not have licensed him.As long as the DOH has him listed as a legal Washington State Phycisian I am safe.The same goes for Ling.Then there is the qualifying condition.Either you have one or you don't.

Gonzales v Oregon is the line of scrimmage now.the releationship with you and your doctor.It always has been the line of scrimmage since the U.S. Supreme court made that ruling.Besides Raich was never implemented.Nor did it create a precedence.The U.S. Supreme Court can only suggest that Congress can regulate interstate commerce.The same Supreme court said you can't regulate medical practice.Even in Conant v Walters the feds acknowledge they can't regulate medical practice.

The can't force regulatory schemes on states either because Congress did not pass anything specific to implement Raich and allow federal regulatory schemes,even then the anti commandeering doctrine would have to be overturned..which it wasn't.

That is why they condition federal funding to get compliance beacsue they have never and will never be able to prohibit state medical marijuana laws.Even the ACLU knows that I have their explanation behind closed doors in writing.But in public they will tell you Raich blah blah blah high court blah blah blah.

So along comes Ganzales v Oregon and an cements the line of scrimmage to states controling medical practice.WSHQAC regulates medical practice.they say medical marijuana has medical value and add qualifying conditions.Then they set the plant limit..because they can regulate medical practice..But they put a release valve that restores to decision to you and your dr.Because they have been down the road of pain management with opiates and they are still being sued for regulating opiate pain management.In the end the have to leave it up to your DR. And you have the right to refuse or accept that medical treatment. Ganzales v Oregon fucking cements it.

Time for you to put down the ACLU,and Norml cirlulars and take a good look at where the line of scrimmage is here pal. Gonzales v Oregon

I would be wasting my time siding with someone that thinks otherwise.

[sandybarr]

So lets recap.

When they made plant limits or decided not to allow the law...they fucking regulate medical practice
When they work for the federal grants and by pass the law..they fucking regulate medical practice.
When they have done that even after Raich..THEY ARE VIOLATING THE 14TH AMENDMENT AND THE 8TH AMENDMENT BECAUSE RAICH WAS NEVER IMPLEMENTED..NOR COULD IT HAVE BEEN BY JUDICIAL DECREE.IT FUCKING HAD TO COME FROM CONGRESS.CONGRESS DID NOTHING.

GONZALES CHALLENGED OREGON'S SUICIDE LAW AND GOT SHOT DOWN IN FLAMES.THE INTER STATE COMMERCE RULING DOES NOT MEAN THE FEDS CAN CONTROL MEDICAL PRACTICE.IF IT COULD GONZALES WOULD HAVE WON AND THE OREGON SUICIDE LAW WOULD HAVE BEEN OVERTURNED.

IF YOU CAN'T FIND A DR TO SAY YOU COULD HAVE 61 PLANTS YOU MIGHT LOSE.IF YOU HAD A DR THAT SAID YOU COULD GROW 61 PLANTS YOU COULD MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT IS BACKED BY GONZALES V OREGON,AND SAY IT IS BETWEEN ME AND HIM.PERHAPS THIS IS THE UNDERLYING BEEF WITH ORVALD AND THCF.

[jamessr]

sandy, your on point with the gonz. v. or. caselaw, my point was that you may have missed the other end of the argument...

As for the orvald and 61 plants, THCF and Orvald refuses to put any plant #'s on any papers, just an end result amount, my sons was 600 grams for every 60-days, mine was 3.oz. the oregon state limit, we both have the same condition and saw him 3 months apart... not to mention it was before any limits went into effect, yes just as the guy in kitsap county case, he sealed our criminal case in that respect...in our favor:thumbsup: we both got orvald documents to replace the fraudulent ones signed by dodge, FREE OF CHARGE AND FOR LIFE, SO SAID ORVALD AND STANFORD, TILL NOW!!!

it's a matter of time on that case of the 61 plants(they charged my son but not me for the house and plants) then a yr later charged me for possession of 9.59 grams in which I really had 35 grams, the WSP cop smoked the rest to his head. Paul said I don't have any valid documents because THCF documents only is good for 1 yr., SOOOOO, THIS GUY IS STATING HE IS A DR. UNDER 18.57-18.71, LOOK AT THE CASELAW BEHIND THE PRACTICE OF MEDICINE AND CORPORATE PRACTICE OF MEDICINE IN WA....OOOPS, HE FUCKED UP BY EVEN LOOKING AT MY MEDICAL RECORDS AND SENDING THEM OUT OF STATE TO WASHINGTON FROM THE MAIN RECORDS DEPT. IN PORTLAND OREGON, not to mention I never ever saw orvald in washington, lol, I am a dual resident, and got both states covered from both dodge and orvald..... NOW WHAT??? RICO?? GENERAL WARRANTS ARE ILLEGAL IN WA. AND THE FEDERAL COURTS ALREADY RULED THEY CAN'T SUBPOENA ANY OF THCF MEDICAL RECORDS AND MUST US A DIFFERENT WAY TO GET THE INFO... CORRECT?:thumbsup: REMEMBER, ORVALD CERTIFIED MY RECOMMENDATION....

So if ling had his license in wa. when you was associated so to speak, then why are you in fear of rico??? steve is not any place in the act, your tie is with ling... correct??

p.s. fuck the aclu and normal political crap....they are morons...

[jamessr]

Sandy, can you please cite the 8th amend caselaw your relying on please? I only have located 1 case outside of custody of leo( city of L.A. homeless case) if no caselaw, your argument will be new then?? NICE !!:thumbsup: