Using sandpaper to scuff seed for germination

[Mississippi Steve]

I would like to add, some seeds even need to be in a forest fire before they will Crack from heat. Then they Germinate. I wish I kept track of the species that needed this. After a forest fire certain plants take over faster that others. There is so much to learn in life and so little time to learn it.

I am finding that my Thick Shelled Seeds are germinating fine in a Bubble Cloner at 85 to 90 degrees, but many germinate then die from mold. I assume the high Temps make for a great environment for mold. Maybe 3 days on high temps then back down to 75 degrees. I spray the Rapid Rooters with Serenade (organic fungicide) but it only slows down the mold. I might go non organic for my Fungicide but I really do not like doing that. Before I do that, I will try Neem Oil.

Dude... keep it simple.... 4 inch pot of new soil, plant the seeds 3/8 inch deep, and water. Keep the temps at 75F and your mold problem with be a thing of the past....as well as a higher germination rate, and healthier plants.

FWIW, it doesn't matter what kind of shell the seeds have on them. scuffing, scraping etc will only make for weaker plants. Butterflies and moths that are taken or "assisted" from their cocoons don't develope properly and most die.
The same can be said for seeds.

Mississippi Steve Reviewed by Mississippi Steve on 10-17-2009. Using sandpaper to scuff seed for germination I have reached a point where I believe I need to scuff my Current Batch of seeds with sandpaper to promote germination. Has anyone ever had to do this? I have never needed to do this before and want to hear from someone who has. I am assuming I use the finest sandpaper available and lightly stroke once on the seem of the seed? I have crushed some of the seeds that failed to Germinate and in each case there was a ViableEmbryo that looked like it was trying to break Rating: 5

[the image reaper]

Dude... keep it simple.... 4 inch pot of new soil, plant the seeds 3/8 inch deep, and water. Keep the temps at 75F and your mold problem with be a thing of the past....as well as a higher germination rate, and healthier plants.

FWIW, it doesn't matter what kind of shell the seeds have on them. scuffing, scraping etc will only make for weaker plants. Butterflies and moths that are taken or "assisted" from their cocoons don't develope properly and most die.
The same can be said for seeds.

I agree 100% :thumbsup: ... amazing how well nature gets by, without a piece of sandpaper, a forest fire, or being digested by an animal (that post HAD to be the dumbest thing I ever heard) :S2:

[FreeDaHerb]

I agree 100% :thumbsup: ... amazing how well nature gets by, without a piece of sandpaper, a forest fire, or being digested by an animal (that post HAD to be the dumbest thing I ever heard) :S2:

Yeah just like how the cannabis genetics got here in the first place all by nature with no help from man, just like all the hybrids and strains of today, totally natural. lol

Your post is the dumbest post in this thread actually. There are "natural" processes at work that are natural like ANIMALS & forest fires! hahahaha :S2:

Did you think those processes were un-natural? :S3:

[Mississippi Steve]

Yeah just like how the cannabis genetics got here in the first place all by nature with no help from man, just like all the hybrids and strains of today, totally natural. lol

Your post is the dumbest post in this thread actually. There are "natural" processes at work that are natural like ANIMALS & forest fires! hahahaha :S2:

Did you think those processes were un-natural? :S3:

Actually IR is a top rate, award winning breeder. Do a little research on "Nor Cal Daddys Girl". Its one of the best strains around.

[FreeDaHerb]

And I shit gold bricks after breakfast, his post still made no sense and calling the last guy's post the dumbest post he ever read was just out of line I don't care if he freed the slaves and invented the lightbulb.

And as far as breeding goes, it's surely alot of tedious work when done right but most of todays new amazing crosses and exotic named hybrids are just reworks of the same strains developed in the 80's and early 90's.

Alot of today's breeding and seedbanks rely more on names & marketing than real breakthroughs in breeding.

I happen to know someone very personally who years ago, isolated & fixed the extremely rare trait of triploid leaves and bud sites from a sweet tooth x blueberry x skunk cross years ago and the vast majority of offspring in that F1 generation are true and normally extremely rare triploid plants (around 75% of seeds) with 3 real budding sites per node, fully potent, fast growing, non mutated specimens that are like frosty fruit bushes. So far unreleased to the public.

[the image reaper]

pay no attention to FreeDaHerb, he's just wetting his diapers, (because I Neg. repped him, for his unrelenting lambasts at OldMac) ... thanks for the support, folks, but Im not easily offended ... I stand by my Neg. rep, as you can see, he loves to rant, rave, and badmouth ... he returned the Neg. rep to me, but that isn't enough, evidently ... he needs to pile on the insults ... no problem, tactics like that, usually result in someone's absence ... grow up a bit, youngster :jointsmile:

[FreeDaHerb]

Obviously then you are avoiding the subject of the post above and worried more about forum rep which I am about to turn off because it's so childish and ridiculous and I'm not here for your rep, but to support the cannabis movement. I guess nobody is allowed to disagree with you it seems. You said those processes like animals and forest fires were un-natural and you are fundamentally wrong, it's really simple and you made a mistake. Don't take it personally bro, no biggie really. We are all here for the same reasons and with the same love for the same plant, maybe you and oldmac forget that and get too caught up in your forum gang leader status to be civil to other members.

I did not insult you at all above in my post, maybe you felt insulted because I questioned what you said and instead of an intelligent reply you say something that will 'result in someone's absence" but reality is sometimes you come across someone who is just a bit more connected then you are. I agree and disagree with everyone equally, no special treatment. If you were offended then please realize maybe you offended the guy that you said his post was the dumbest ever. Except you were wrong about those things not being natural. I'm surely not the only one who realized this and it's not meant to offend you or get into a pissing contest. Just a healthy debate.

Now surely you can handle a healthy informative debate without threats right?

[the image reaper]

Obviously then you are avoiding the subject of the post above and worried more about forum rep which I am about to turn off because it's so childish and ridiculous and I'm not here for your rep, but to support the cannabis movement. I guess nobody is allowed to disagree with you it seems. You said those processes like animals and forest fires were un-natural and you are fundamentally wrong, it's really simple and you made a mistake. Don't take it personally bro, no biggie really. We are all here for the same reasons and with the same love for the same plant, maybe you and oldmac forget that and get too caught up in your forum gang leader status to be civil to other members.

ok, let's go over it, one by one ... 1. I am leaving my 'rep' turned on, so anyone that wants to, can spank me ... 2. everyone is allowed to disagree with me, in fact, it happens frequently ... 3. I NEVER said anything about animals and fires being 'unnatural' :wtf: (the giant sequoias depend on fires, to crack their seeds, we're not growing them here, however) the 'stupid' post, was saying animals digest seeds, and crap them out (funny, a seedling that is so easily killed by a tiny bit of fertilizer, would thrive in the interior of a hot turd ) ... 4. I make mistakes frequently enough, and do not take offense when they're pointed out (in fact, I usually discover the mistake myself, and attempt to make amends) ... 5. I wasn't aware that I, or oldmac, are 'forum gang leaders', and don't think either of us would come to mind, when you think of rudeness, or lack of civility, to the members here ...

this all started, because I felt you were unceasingly fucking with oldmac, (who, I dont personally know, but respect) ... oldmac would be the first one to inform you, that we disagree about the use of LED lamps ... I would love to have an effective LED setup, but I don't feel like the present ones are worth the money, and lack results ... but, that's only my opinion, and everyone is OK to disagree ... but, don't hammer a guy over the head, about it, like you were doing with oldmac ... that's what this whole thing was about ...

happy gardening !

[FreeDaHerb]

Oh that surely makes more sense now and I have to say I appreciate you at least admitting that you picked a "fight" with me because I was having a disagreement with another member who was carrying on and accusing me of trying to promote an LED light I was vouching for and also said I was spamming when that could'nt be farther from the truth and I have zero vested interest in any of those products other than trying to recommend the best equipment available. Then after pointing out to everyone that he asked me about them in the FIRST PLACE in the thread where I was answering someones question about LED LIGHTS then all the sudden I became the "asshole" as you put it in your very rude post there to me. So really dude, you were out of line in that thread and you are out of line here. Don't ever threaten me again, and stay out of my posts if you have nothing to add but drama and insults. I have yet to insult you other than the gang leader joke but maybe if you did'nt act that way it would not appear so to others. Enough said.

ps - looked up your strain, it's a nice one. Good job. :thumbsup:

Now let's all get high. :rastasmoke:

[greentard]

Not Responding to the childish Ridicule posts, they are beneath me. But for those intrested in learning about different methods of germinations needed in the vast world of Angiosperms check out this site.

How to Germinate Seed

Those of you intrested in a partial list of plants that require smoke germination.

Smoke Genera

Some of these actually have to be in the fire to germinate because its the heat from the fire that cracks the shell.

for those of you who think that a seed that does not Germinate easily means the plant is weak might want to read the first link. It even explains why some seeds have thick shells. Also, a weak plant at Germination produces more product than one not grown. That is if the plant really is weak.