Quote Originally Posted by FreeDaHerb
Seriously guys, an LED light that HAS to be water cooled? And it's an LED? Quite the contradiction really. The only logical explanation is that there is ineffective cooling fans in place and poor design to begin with along with an insufficient heatsink. If the water cooling solution were to fail due to faulty components like a bad pump or a spill, leak, etc. you might very well end up with a bad heat situation and a damaged light or worse. Water & electricty do not mix that's for certain. If I were going to use one of the TI Smartlamps it definitely be the smaller "600" that did'nt have to be water cooled but hey that's me. The Lumigrow ES is newer, larger 5 watt LED emitters and signifigantly brighter based on my research. (total PAR watts) Plus the true deep red & purpose designed 660 nm red which is the majority of the light the Lumigrow produces gives it unmatched flowering results for cannabis compared to any other LED. I'm quite sure the TI lights are superior products compared to many other LED's but the Lumigrow actually is better considering all factors like the much bigger 5 watt LED's. Plus it has very effective cooling in place and plenty of quiet & high powered internal fans with an all aluminum heatsink enclosure. I think the procyons are fantastic lights as well and super bright just lacking in the "white" LED's and only available so far in the maximum 100 watt sizes..I'm still waiting for the super size Procyon, it will likely be an amazing unit just like the Procyon 100's.
FreeDa Herb;

Where to begin? First let me state this again clearly; from what I've read about the LumiGrow lights with there 5w diodes, 660nm Red, spectrum, etc they seem to be a good LED light with alot of promise. I would love to see one, touch one and try one, barring that I would like to see it be evaluated by an independent source like GreenPineLane. I would settle for someone who's used it and seemed knowledgeable about it's use but I would have to consider the source. I've now had a chance to read the entire rollitup thread and that is a true shill, complete with bs and even shots against competitors. I would not trust those grow pics for obvious reasons.

As to your extensive research and knowledge that you bring to this discusion, well your above post about TI SmartBars and thier use of water cooling just goes to show how little you actually know. LEDs produce heat and while not as much and in a different location then HIDs it is something that has to be dealt with. Thermal management is the first engineering problem that needs to be addressed when designing a LED based grow light. It's very easy for a LED to go from light emitting mode to toaster mode. Almost all homebrewers of LED lights know this first hand. And BTW the SmartBars besides water cooling require 220v, they are not aimed at the home hobby grower but more for commercial use like supplemental lighting for greenhouses or larger scale indoor growing.

I personally would not / will not recommend the use of, or non use of, any product I have not used, am using or have first hand knowledge of. Maybe that's just me. I don't take "trust me" information from anybody including my doctors without first doing my own research.