LED or HPS

[Rubberbubbler]

whats the price for the Lumigrow ES? I could not find it on the site. It looks like a good light. I love the fact that you can adjust the red and blue with just a turn of the knob.

[FreeDaHerb]

I found them on indooragriculture for 1,299 on sale last time I looked marked down 24%..not sure if they actually have them in stock or not. If dropshipping direct from the manufacturer they may NOT be wrapped in a plain box but marked clearly on the outside of it what it is, etc. Something to consider and check into first as I don't know how indoor ag does it...I do think though these LED lights are more "mainstream" for food growers and gardening hobbyist, etc...not a bad hobby at all to take up!

[oldmac]

Hey oldmac, I wish I could give you some real world results but unfortunately I do not grow and have no plans to anytime soon.
I am however a very keen researcher and have seen & heard only fantastic things about these specific led growlights. I think this is what many of us have been waiting for spectrum wise. Good luck brother, OVERGROW the world! :thumbsup: :hippy: :rastasmoke:

Now ain't that interesting, you have never seen these lights or used them but you are promoting them here. :wtf: AND you don't grow.

As to the posts on rollitup by calibuddz, I find it interesting that he joined that site in aug09, just when the lights where going on sale. Think he might be a shill? As to Theoreme going out of bussiness, it's always possible but when I spoke to them last week they seem to be gearing towards the future. You might also be interested in the fact that the 2 principles of that company happen to be lawyers, and the only lawsuit they are envolved in is a patent infringement suit they brought against another company.

As I look at your other posts you seem to be humping the LumiGrow quite a bit. Do you have a vested interest here? How about you stop shilling for them.

I actually think thier lights may have merit, but I got a real bad feeling about how they are being promoted.

[oldmac]

what about this one TI-SmartBar 1000 ProBloom Buy LED Grow Lights, Procyon 100

The TI-SmartBars work very well, I know someone who purchased them abt 10 months ago and bought another set just 2 months ago. They are water cooled as pointed out which does mean setting up a chiller or cooling rez. It is also worth noting that they only come in 220v so that can be a problem if you need to rewire.

My partner and I have been debating switching over to them, since we can not get the old style housings anymore and wanted to put 4 TI 600's over the aero/fog tray we are setting up. Tho I may go ahead with a homebuilt light soon instead.

[FreeDaHerb]

As I look at your other posts you seem to be humping the LumiGrow quite a bit. Do you have a vested interest here? How about you stop shilling for them.

I personally think they are the best LED lights out right now and I have seen one in action...same as many people vouch for Advanced Nutrients when people ask about nutes. I don't sell lights and I don't know any of these people or companies personally, not that it would be wrong if I did lol.

I could say you are "shilling" for the TI LED Lights using your logic in your last post. But I don't say stupid shit like that.

He asked about them and I'm giving info based on my well educated opinion. I knew someone would likely say something after reading those posts by the calibuddz dude, I too think he's tied in with them somehow but alas this is a different site and I'm definitely a different person and that's the end of that explanation.

I don't grow personally for my own reasons, but I know people who do for legal medical use. I am going to continue to recommend the LED lights that I feel can best help people achieve what they are looking to achieve since there are so many BS lights out there of inferior quality. If that threatens you in any way shape or form that's unfortunate. I provide solid useful information to save people alot of time and hassle and anything I say you can surely take it to the bank because it's based on facts my friend. So no hard feelings, but you should think a little more before you post something like that next time brother. We are all on the same team. :thumbsup: :hippy:

[MerryPrankstr]

My partner and I have been debating switching over to them, since we can not get the old style housings anymore and wanted to put 4 TI 600's over the aero/fog tray we are setting up. Tho I may go ahead with a homebuilt light soon instead.

What's your thoughts on the problems with the new style body. As for the TI Smart Bars, I consider the water coolig a plus. Very little heat load added to the room i would think. If I could fault the TI Smart bollm, or most other lamps for that matter, it;s the haphazrd way they dispose of the "colling air discarge".

Rolling your own is probably the best way to go, as you said.

M.P.

[FreeDaHerb]

Seriously guys, an LED light that HAS to be water cooled? And it's an LED? Quite the contradiction really. The only logical explanation is that there is ineffective cooling fans in place and poor design to begin with along with an insufficient heatsink. If the water cooling solution were to fail due to faulty components like a bad pump or a spill, leak, etc. you might very well end up with a bad heat situation and a damaged light or worse. Water & electricty do not mix that's for certain. If I were going to use one of the TI Smartlamps it definitely be the smaller "600" that did'nt have to be water cooled but hey that's me. The Lumigrow ES is newer, larger 5 watt LED emitters and signifigantly brighter based on my research. (total PAR watts) Plus the true deep red & purpose designed 660 nm red which is the majority of the light the Lumigrow produces gives it unmatched flowering results for cannabis compared to any other LED. I'm quite sure the TI lights are superior products compared to many other LED's but the Lumigrow actually is better considering all factors like the much bigger 5 watt LED's. Plus it has very effective cooling in place and plenty of quiet & high powered internal fans with an all aluminum heatsink enclosure. I think the procyons are fantastic lights as well and super bright just lacking in the "white" LED's and only available so far in the maximum 100 watt sizes..I'm still waiting for the super size Procyon, it will likely be an amazing unit just like the Procyon 100's.

[MerryPrankstr]

FreeDaHerb,
You are telling us nothing we don't already know, and some things that at least I don't buy into, e.g. white LEDs. I know a place that has 9 Lunigrows in stock and have known about the product line (older model) for at least one year. The money hasn't jumped out of my pockets yet. My grows come out just fine as do oldmacs.

My two Procyons will raise my temps in the tent by about 4 degrees over ambient and the TI about 3 per unit. The point is that in multiple lamp setups it would be great to be able to get rid if the heat, particularly if you have a hydro setup with a rez chiller already.

Horses for courses...
No one product is for all applications.

Difference is what the world go 'round, so how about respecting other peoples opinions?

M.P.

[oldmac]

What's your thoughts on the problems with the new style body. As for the TI Smart Bars, I consider the water coolig a plus. Very little heat load added to the room i would think. If I could fault the TI Smart bollm, or most other lamps for that matter, it;s the haphazrd way they dispose of the "colling air discarge".

Rolling your own is probably the best way to go, as you said.

M.P.

Hey M.P.,

I don't see a problem with the new housing, if I had 4 new style I would be ok. The old style has 3 mount points on one end and the new has two, they each have one mount point on the other end. Putting 2 of the old togther is simply one pce of aluminum channel drilled to take the two middle studs of each. Gotta do soemthing different with the new ones to combine them. ETC.

Water cooling of the TI bars is fairly easy and straight forward. And it is a plus in many ways since the design spreads the lights out, not a block design like most hi-power LED lights. I've actually been looking at long (4') aluminum heat sinks, plus fans for a DIY light design (800-1200w over 4'x4') and honestly I'm thinking about using water cooling instead. It might even be more energy efficent then running so many fans.

It's funny you should mention the air output from the TI 600 Pro-Bloom's. Just last night we filled the new aero/fog tray will rooted cuttings, and sat watching the lights move back and forth accross the tray on the light rail. The output blows down slightly towards the plantlets causing them to be blown around lightly. We where just saying last night how nice it was, no need for a oscillatting fan on the plants! See, one person's fault is another's plus.

Keep well and keep growing. -oldmac :thumbsup:

[oldmac]

Seriously guys, an LED light that HAS to be water cooled? And it's an LED? Quite the contradiction really. The only logical explanation is that there is ineffective cooling fans in place and poor design to begin with along with an insufficient heatsink. If the water cooling solution were to fail due to faulty components like a bad pump or a spill, leak, etc. you might very well end up with a bad heat situation and a damaged light or worse. Water & electricty do not mix that's for certain. If I were going to use one of the TI Smartlamps it definitely be the smaller "600" that did'nt have to be water cooled but hey that's me. The Lumigrow ES is newer, larger 5 watt LED emitters and signifigantly brighter based on my research. (total PAR watts) Plus the true deep red & purpose designed 660 nm red which is the majority of the light the Lumigrow produces gives it unmatched flowering results for cannabis compared to any other LED. I'm quite sure the TI lights are superior products compared to many other LED's but the Lumigrow actually is better considering all factors like the much bigger 5 watt LED's. Plus it has very effective cooling in place and plenty of quiet & high powered internal fans with an all aluminum heatsink enclosure. I think the procyons are fantastic lights as well and super bright just lacking in the "white" LED's and only available so far in the maximum 100 watt sizes..I'm still waiting for the super size Procyon, it will likely be an amazing unit just like the Procyon 100's.

FreeDa Herb;

Where to begin? First let me state this again clearly; from what I've read about the LumiGrow lights with there 5w diodes, 660nm Red, spectrum, etc they seem to be a good LED light with alot of promise. I would love to see one, touch one and try one, barring that I would like to see it be evaluated by an independent source like GreenPineLane. I would settle for someone who's used it and seemed knowledgeable about it's use but I would have to consider the source. I've now had a chance to read the entire rollitup thread and that is a true shill, complete with bs and even shots against competitors. I would not trust those grow pics for obvious reasons.

As to your extensive research and knowledge that you bring to this discusion, well your above post about TI SmartBars and thier use of water cooling just goes to show how little you actually know. LEDs produce heat and while not as much and in a different location then HIDs it is something that has to be dealt with. Thermal management is the first engineering problem that needs to be addressed when designing a LED based grow light. It's very easy for a LED to go from light emitting mode to toaster mode. Almost all homebrewers of LED lights know this first hand. And BTW the SmartBars besides water cooling require 220v, they are not aimed at the home hobby grower but more for commercial use like supplemental lighting for greenhouses or larger scale indoor growing.

I personally would not / will not recommend the use of, or non use of, any product I have not used, am using or have first hand knowledge of. Maybe that's just me. I don't take "trust me" information from anybody including my doctors without first doing my own research.