ya man, my first grow, i was so patient with watering and I thought I got that down pat pretty quick and easy, but this time around I dunno, I did some things a little different and I wish I hadnt just so I could better try and figure out whats wrong. Eitherway I threw both of the ones I had troubles with in a 24/0 lighting cub with my bubble cloner. I gently removed the dirt around the one that just looked like crap and found that the whole plant, root an all was an inch. Pretty much no roots, so i used a spray bottle n cleaned the part where roots should be, then let it sit in a rooting hormone for 5 mins, then changed the soil so it wouldnt be wet and only time will tell. Do you plan on growing these straight threw or are you going to take cuttings for clones.