Hmm whats up with the different solutions? A good soil/soiless mix and good water should be suffice to start a seed why the extra nutes? Just curious, I don't think I would do that but if you have a reason for it I would be all ears. once your at a few nodes in maybe,,, other then that you soaking your coir with the liquid karma that should of been more then enough anything much after that is odd in my head. veg or any other nute without a few true leaves is not something I have seen or read on here or in person. I will subscribe and hang around for a bit, I haven't seen a ryder auto grow log on here in awhile.:rastasmoke: