ok finally got a few pics of Momma and ty to all for the input on getting lights closer as I feel this was the big turning point ( rep coming to you DH!). Pic of roots you can see they are getting "stained" by the nutes so I added 2 capfuls of H2O2 and should be clear by tommorrow. She also gave up her first 2 clones on Monday as the 5 we took for our next run were nothing but runts minus 1 so had to pull 2 off her to keep the ball rolling.