The Lisbon Treaty - the end of Amsterdam?

[fourkicks]

it took us 800 years of fighting the english for them to fuck off accross the irish sea back to england.. but we will never get rid of brussells rule as easy. with 1 1/2 hours left of voting exit polls recon its going to be close again.if you havnt voted yet.GET UP AND GO NOW.. VOTE NO

[moshmonkey]

bad news im afraid. altho the final results are not in yet but there is a counting station next to where i work and they told me it doesn't look good at all! so yes fuckwits and retards alike voted yes.

[delusionsofNORMALity]

bad news i'm afraid.

welcome to the world of the super-states. you are now experiencing the same sort of centralization of power that we've been fighting back on this side of the atlantic for the better part of the last century. it's an endless cycle that does not bode well for individual rights. as the governments of your individual countries have been usurping more and more of your personal rights in the name of your protection and welfare, so too has the eu been gobbling up the prerogative of those countries in the name economic development and expedience.

the perks seem great at first. increased importance on the world stage, enhanced economic clout and heightened respect across the globe, you are now even more of a power to be feared. the downside is that any hope you may have had to regain a bit of independence for yourself and your little corner of the world has almost totally disappeared. you are now, more than ever, a tiny cog in the machine and your importance to that machine is dependent on the strength you add to the collective and how well you obey.

i'm afraid you've wandered a bit too far down the path of socialism over there to do a whole hell of a lot about it. face it, the mob has spoken and they've decided it's too much trouble to take responsibility for their own affairs. your choices are clear. either shut up and be a good little monkey or fight back and try to break away from the clutches of the super-state. good luck.

[killerweed420]

The sad thing is the majority rulled. Its troubling that so many people don't seem to understand whats going on. And now there talking about Blair being the supreme leader. Does not bode well.

[moshmonkey]

the worst thing is the mob did speak with a clear no last time, but then they douped stupid people into voting yes by false promises, the creation of more jobs in Ireland is based on a 'handshake'. seriously. i'm still shocked.

but what can be done? another referendum? they won't have it cos they got the answer they wanted.

[delusionsofNORMALity]

the worst thing is the mob did speak with a clear no last time, but then they duped stupid people into voting yes by false promises, the creation of more jobs in Ireland is based on a 'handshake'. seriously. i'm still shocked.

but what can be done? another referendum? they won't have it cos they got the answer they wanted.

the powers that be will keep harping on the joys of democracy and bringing up their favorite issues until they have finally duped enough people into going their way. once that happens all discussion is closed and it takes an act of god to regain the people's lost power. the lie of the ballot box has stolen more freedom than any number of tyrants.

[boaz]

... And now there talking about Blair being the supreme leader. Does not bode well.

I remember when Blair switched his religion a year or so ago from Protestant to become Catholic and remember thinking back then there had to be some larger reason for that. It just seemed a little strange to me at the time that someone would switch religions so late in life unless it was for marriage or something. Maybe this is why. He needs to appeal to a more broad electorate now. I look for Barry switching his religion next. :wtf:

[delusionsofNORMALity]

I look for Barry switching his religion next.

hopefully he will join the amish and we can be rid of him for good or maybe he'll hook up with the good folks at westboro baptist and alienate those few folks he hasn't already screwed.

[Islandborn]

People are starting to see the light........Congress in the states is gonna get HAMMERED next year.

[Islandborn]

This was bad for Ireland, bad for europe, and bad for america. Attention now turns to Czech President Vaclav Klaus. Europes last Thatcherite in office anywhere. If he can delay his countries ratification beyond the upcoming British Election (June?), there is a good chance this sham can be sunk. As, if seems very likely, the conservatives win the election, they will give the Brits the referendum on the Lisbon Treaty that Blair-Brown dishonestly denied their people. If that happens, they will vote NO, which will theoretically derail the whole process.imp: