aero/fog LED grow table

[oldmac]

Hey Pudish,

I will certianly do some root porn pics, still not sure about showing that many plants in one area tho.

Hello JMORGAN,

The clonners' are a pair of 120 Ez-Clonners, so they are basically a water spray culture, with plenty of room for fog. Each chamber of an Ez is about the size of the shallow trays I use abt 8 cuft each. I could support that much with the Frapaplas fogger I'm using but means running some pipe to another room. Or it means another fogger dedicated to the clonners, this is actually my first choice. But, it would cost nothing to simply take cuttings and start them out in the trays.

Currently running a very short flowering strain, shiva skunk, that takes abt 6 1/2 weeks, if I start in the trays I'm only looking at abt 8 weeks total. Not the worst for production.

The long term answer here is to introduce fog to the clonners. Thanks for your input.:thumbsup:

[Pudish]

OLDMAC

Where would you suggest I am a fogger from. Anywhere you know that is cheap. I want one to play with. That is all. Something new. I might like it and use it all the time. Info would be awesome.

[MerryPrankstr]

Thanks for the update oldmac.

M.P.

[Horsemanrocks]

Sorry bout ^^^ thatâ?¦.just couldnâ??t stop myself.

No medium all all Joe, just netpot and neoprene collars. Well that and fog. One of the main reasons I am going in this direction is to do away with a medium.

So in time the root structure builds itself into the netpot. And being a SOG thatâ??s enough support to carry it through?

I found a problem with trying to go from the ez-clonners to the fog tray. There is a wilt off problem while the rooted clones become acclamated to the fog. This transplant shock seems to take a week to ten days to overcome,

So what would you imagine if the reverse were to be true. Iâ??m contemplating building an ultrasonic fogger/cloner and then moving them down the line to a bubbler pre-veg tray.
There was discussion on a thread that you participated in over at ICMag about the difference in the type of root development between the two (fog and splash). Canâ??t say as I understood it completely. Iâ??d love to get your take on the subject.

And, would you anticipate an acclimation period if the procedure was reversed.

Sonnyboyrocks.

[JMORGAN]

I was just thinking about running a fogger-only clone unit, but I remember that if you have an air embolism in the stem it'll die pretty quick... so I guess there should def be some type of root structure before trying a fogger-only clone unit. or I could just be st0ned outta my head.

JMORGAN
:smokin:

[oldmac]

Sorry to hear that HMR,

I tried the other day to answer you but the server timed out on me then would not let me sign on. Oh well got a few minutes now, let me try again.

Yup, just a 2" netpot and a neoprene collar is all thats needed to grow SOG or even larger. I use to grow 4' tall plants in a NFT system using just 3" net pots. It helps if the roots can reach the bottom, adds more stability.

There is a difference even between types of fog and of course water splashing. With an EZ-clonner type propagator, that is just water spray primary roots form first then some or a few laterals. With aeroponics that has a fog with an average droplet size of 50 microns, primary roots form then more laterals and some or few hair roots. With ultrasonic foggers like the Frapaplas creates a fog with droplets of 5 microns or less, you get primary roots, good laterals and more hair roots.

Rooted cuttings from an ez-clonner type propagator lack hair roots and enough laterals to get enough moisture uptake if left in only fog. They need or take time to develope the appropriate roots. Even the aero fog or mist, unless run for longer periods, will lead to wilt off. This will not happen tho if going from aero/fog propagator to say a water based growing culture, since the primary or tap roots will get all the moisture they need and can handle. And they must be present since they are the first to grow and must be present to develope lateral roots and hair roots.

Hope that helps lift the fog HMR, not sure what to tell MORGAN tho.

[Horsemanrocks]

You gotta remember that song.

Sonnyboy is foggy???

Thanks for acting so surprised.

Iâ??ve followed your fog brained posts at ICMag and at Fogponics. Iâ??ll keep reading at fogponics, but I think that the discussions at ICMag have been more in depthâ?¦.(so far). I do catch on rather slowly.

Okâ?¦..for a wild ass guess here, I would imagine that if you added 5 micron fog to your EZ cloner that you would need to fog more predominately and only occasionally splash to get what youâ??re trying to accomplish.
I do see the air roots form as they leave the bottom of the netpot and then disappear when the roots meet the solution below.

This will not happen tho if going from aero/fog propagator to say a water based growing culture

Well I just picked up a little â??one lungâ?� ultrasonic fogger to create a very compact fogger/cloner. Say eight 3.75 inch netpots or possibly just neoprene collars. (Havenâ??t decided yet) If I remember correctly the term at Fogponics is â??on rails or aerorailâ?� (4X4 or 6X6â?� vinyl posts). Your reply of aero/fog propagator makes me think. I could easily add an airstone on each rail and fog some and splash some. I suppose that would all depend on how long that they stayed in the cloner.

For ease on my partâ?¦.letâ??s say that I built the cloner with the netpotsâ?¦â?¦used the 3.75â?� netpots with lava rockâ?¦..do you imagine that the lava rock would mitigate the effectiveness of the fog. Lava certainly doesnâ??t seem to stack anywhere near as tightly as hydroton.

There is a difference even between types of fog and of course water splashing. With an EZ-clonner type propagator, that is just water spray primary roots form first then some or a few laterals. With aeroponics that has a fog with an average droplet size of 50 microns, primary roots form then more laterals and some or few hair roots. With ultrasonic foggers like the Frapaplas creates a fog with droplets of 5 microns or less, you get primary roots, good laterals and more hair roots.

Rooted cuttings from an ez-clonner type propagator lack hair roots and enough laterals to get enough moisture uptake if left in only fog. They need or take time to develope the appropriate roots. Even the aero fog or mist, unless run for longer periods, will lead to wilt off. This will not happen tho if going from aero/fog propagator to say a water based growing culture, since the primary or tap roots will get all the moisture they need and can handle. And they must be present since they are the first to grow and must be present to develope lateral roots and hair roots.

I do appreciate the in depth explanation. I gives me something to look for in root development. For some of usâ?¦..you really have to â??spell it outâ?�.

Many thanks,
Sonnyboyrocks
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What would Oldmac do?

[GetThisOrDie]

Holy netpot! Thats alot of netpots!
Cant wait to see your thing of beauty in action...

[LisaDouglas]

Hi Old Mac,
Complete newbie here. I wanted to thank you for sharing this project with us. I find it very interesting and wait anxiously to hear how it goes.

When I get a lot more experience I would love to try a grow like this on a much smaller scale. I have faith that LED technology is able to get better results than what I have seen.

[cannamanibus]

That is definately the coolest set-up ive ever seen. Im all of the sudden really diggn the foggyfog idea. REAL SICK!!!!

Man im so curios i HAVE to ask, what kinda w/g are you avgn?