Health Reforms

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You are right dental is not included, I did not mean to write that. However, I do not understand what you mean when you say I will have to pay thousands to get on the public plan. I am well aware that it is not completely free, but I know its not going to cost thousands of dollars.

how do you figure it's not going to cost you thousands of dollars? what do you think your tax money is going to? so besides paying for yourself you'll be paying for others.

First of all, there are at least 46.3 million uninsured in this country. That is more than the combined populations of 24 smaller states. So how do you propose we get these people covered?

where did you come up with this 46.3 million people? i've heard closer to 30 million and that's a high estimate. most think it's closer to 20 million. regardless of the actual number how many of those CHOOSE NOT to have insurance?

how many of those in that estimate are illegal immigrants? i know for one that i am NOT going to pay for illegal immigrants health care.

do you also not think about the fact that we only keep about 70% of our income and the rest is paid into taxes? you are okay with this? perhaps if they let us keep all of our wages they we could afford insurance?

the current bill alters the tax code so that if you don't have insurance they can fine you and put you in jail. this is the same IRS that owes back taxes. that doesn't sound like choice to me.

It is also not going to cost trillions, it is going to cost $900 billion over the next 10 years, the majority of which will pay for itself by getting rid of wasteful medical related spending. That is also not including the billions that are going to be saved by simply putting the uninsured on an insurance plan so that they can receive preventive care and not cost the state thousands of dollars when they end up in the ER and cant pay for it and end up in debt.

who exaclty is gonna get rid of wasteful spending? the govt? they've done a good job of that up to this point. how can you put so much faith into a govt that obviously can't run shit right. our national budget is $4 Trillion and we are taking in $2.5 Trillion. and obama said it would be that way for at least the next four years.

Yeah, and then you go into debt. Over 60% of all the bankruptcies in America stem from medical bills. That is thousands of people who's lives are ruined because they got sick and could not afford insurance. No matter how you look at that statistic, it is fucked and at the very least a sign that something is not right with our current health care system. So yeah, nobody is going to drag you out of the ER your just going to have to spend years working to pay back the bills. I also never claimed that Emergency rooms denied people care.

so why hasn't the govt stepped in before? they could have regulated the industry long ago. why now? the insurance companies have been fucking people over for years. dropping people when they get sick. refusing to pay. the govt sat idly by and let this happen because why? because those companies lobby millions if not billions.

why does america pay the most in the world for prescription medications?

they wave a bill in front of your face and you jump at it.

do you want to govt to have real-time access to your bank account? you are okay with this?

Right, because the founding fathers were psychics who could read the future and know everything that this country was going to go through for the next 220 years. It is called an amendment dude. Things change, the world evolves, and the American government needs to evolve with it. I am not gonna bash the constitution, because it is an amazing document, but it does not have all of the answers.

how many amendments have we had in since the constitution?

there are 27. once which abolishes slavery. one that gave rights to women. one that allows them to collect a federal income tax. one that was for prohibition and one that repealed that amendment. there are no fewer than six that have to due with the legal process. (perhaps part of the problem in this country is that we are too litigious?)

perhaps part of the problems is that we are one of only a few countries that ELECTS judges. how much sense does that make? who do you suppose the judges back? oh yeah, the companies that donate to their campaigns?

i'd say overall that constitution is a solid document and our forefathers were smarter then than we are today. they wrote the constitution in such an open ended fashion because they KNEW it wasn't perfect and that this country would, in fact, go though growing pains if you will.

Do you think that people who are 18 should not be able to vote? Do you think you should be denied the right to vote if you cant pay a poll tax? Do you think the president should be able to run for as many terms as they want? If you said no to any of those things, you are against the constitution as it was originally framed. They are called amendments and they are what happen when our government realizes that the constitution is not perfect.

you don't have to love your govt, you just have to love you country. i think you'll find that american's are finally getting tired of having the wool pulled over their eyes.

again, if the health care bill was all that it was cracked up to be it would have been passed in august. it's not and it didn't.

it's our RIGHT and DUTIY as the people to hold the govt accountable for it's actions. check the quote it my sig from the declaration of independence. it basically states that those that have the ability to change something have the RESPONSIBILITY to change it. and if we have a govt it place that no longer works for the people it is OUR job to throw off that govt and put a new govt in place for our future security.


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