Health Reforms

[Ramulux]

Businesses will find it cheaper to pay the fine than the insurance premium, there goes your choice.

I do not really understand what you mean by this or what it has to do with the quote it is referencing.

Dental is not included. If you cannot pay "hundreds" of dollars for your health care, how will you pay the thousands of dollars for your public option. If you think it will be free you are the exact kind of idiot Obama is looking for.

You are right dental is not included, I did not mean to write that. However, I do not understand what you mean when you say I will have to pay thousands to get on the public plan. I am well aware that it is not completely free, but I know its not going to cost thousands of dollars.

I don't. And these few (under 10 million) people could be covered for far less than the trillions that will be spent.

First of all, there are at least 46.3 million uninsured in this country. That is more than the combined populations of 24 smaller states. So how do you propose we get these people covered?

It is also not going to cost trillions, it is going to cost $900 billion over the next 10 years, the majority of which will pay for itself by getting rid of wasteful medical related spending. That is also not including the billions that are going to be saved by simply putting the uninsured on an insurance plan so that they can receive preventive care and not cost the state thousands of dollars when they end up in the ER and cant pay for it and end up in debt.

Basic care as you call it is not denied now, Hospitals MUST treat.

Yeah, and then you go into debt. Over 60% of all the bankruptcies in America stem from medical bills. That is thousands of people who's lives are ruined because they got sick and could not afford insurance. No matter how you look at that statistic, it is fucked and at the very least a sign that something is not right with our current health care system. So yeah, nobody is going to drag you out of the ER your just going to have to spend years working to pay back the bills. I also never claimed that Emergency rooms denied people care.

No we don't, WE SEE A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT LIMITED BY THE CONSTITUTION

Right, because the founding fathers were psychics who could read the future and know everything that this country was going to go through for the next 220 years. It is called an amendment dude. Things change, the world evolves, and the American government needs to evolve with it. I am not gonna bash the constitution, because it is an amazing document, but it does not have all of the answers.

Do you think that people who are 18 should not be able to vote? Do you think you should be denied the right to vote if you cant pay a poll tax? Do you think the president should be able to run for as many terms as they want? If you said no to any of those things, you are against the constitution as it was originally framed. They are called amendments and they are what happen when our government realizes that the constitution is not perfect.

Please provide at least 1 quote to back up this assertion.

"A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual doom."
Martin Luther king Jr.

"An individual has not started living until he can rise above the narrow confines of his individualistic concerns to the broader concerns of all humanity."
Martin Luther king Jr.

"We all declare for liberty; but in using the same word we do not all
mean the same thing. With some the word liberty may mean for each
man to do as he pleases with himself, and the product of his labor; while
with others, the same word may mean for some men to do as they
please with other men, and the product of other men's labor. Here are
two, not only different, but incompatible things, called by the same name
- liberty. And it follows that each of the things is, by the respective parties,
called by two different and incompatible names - liberty and tyranny."
Abraham lincoln